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"after doing his time" So then have BigBalls at least do his time before handing him the keys to the kingdom.

by fcatalan 2y ago

brigandish 2y ago
And what would be the crime?
- frereubu 2y ago
  Assisting cybercrime by the sounds of things: "Two years before becoming a DOGE staffer, Coristine provided network support to a cybercrime group." That enough for you?
  - nukem222 2y ago
    [dead]
  - fastball 2y ago
    > So then have BigBalls at least do his time before handing him the keys to the kingdom. Given that he hasn't been charged with a crime (much less convicted), the "time" he is due to serve is zero.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Given recent news, charging crimes is not really stopping this government.
  - brigandish 2y ago
    How does providing a CDN assist a cybercrime group in committing a crime? Specifically.
- safety1st 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - exe34 2y ago
    or, you know, the actual crime that he did do. an unrepentant and unpunished criminal gets into government and draws attention to himself - did you miss that part?
    - safety1st 2y ago
      Oh, he committed a crime? Can you link us to an article about the charge and the conviction? Or is it the case that neither one of those exist at this time... And you are judging him for a crime that he has not yet been charged for, let alone convicted... One might almost say... For a pre-crime...
      - exe34 2y ago
        that's not what pre-crime means.
- bilbo0s 2y ago
  I can't tell if this is a serious question or not? So this response is only in the case that it is a serious question. Please ignore if I've misapprehended the sarcasm. Based on what I read, the minimum would be aiding and abetting. At least, that's what it would be here in Wisconsin.
  - LinuxBender 2y ago
    aiding and abetting Not a lawyer but I think that only sticks if the CDN he managed was specifically built for criminals and the selling points were to hide criminal activity similar to some bullet-proof hosting solutions otherwise Akamai, Bunny, Cloudflare and many others would be seized as they have a myriad of criminals utilizing their network as well but I could be wrong. Was there solid evidence that this CDN was purpose built for criminal usage such as proof of intent?
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > only sticks if the CDN he managed was specifically built for criminals Why? If he knew it was being used for crime sufficiently to let him brag about it to the FBI, he’s complicit.
      - LinuxBender 2y ago
        Why? If he knew it was being used for crime sufficiently to let him brag about it to the FBI, he’s complicit. I don't follow. I can brag about Akamai or Cloudflare being used for criminal activity and still use it myself or even promote it to others. That is a strong selling point in that if criminals can use it then it's less likely my crass meme sites might be taken down. Was the CDN he promoted only sold to criminals explicitly for criminal activity? e.g. not logging admin access, hiding identities of criminals, promoting the support of illegal content, etc... The difference in my eye is the intent to use for illegal means vs. the illegal usage of a generic tool as a by-product. Was he actively promoting illegal usage to the would-be clients? As for boasting about it to the FBI I would want to hear the actual dialogue. Media have been putting slants on details as they know crapping on DOGE is popular right now. In reference to intent an example would be if one hosts an anonymous forum or chan site and someone uploads illegal content they are protected from criminal prosecution assuming they quickly remove said content whereas if they host an anonymous forum or chan site and promote the sharing of illegal material then they are no longer protected.
- AdamN 2y ago
  Active support of a criminal enterprise. I believe it's not just a state crime but also federal.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  I don't know the law precisely, but if I attempt to emulate the US leadership, then: It's radical lefty anti-establishment behaviour which is obviously criminal and I can't believe you're even asking such a ridiculous question when anyone who has lived in the real world for longer than a week would implicitly know the answer. I would have used caps in select places to improve the parody, but I didn't want to seem actually serious.
- Kapura 2y ago
  read the article.
  - brigandish 2y ago
    I did. What would be the crime?
    - arevno 2y ago
      The Feds have prosecuted people[1] not for committing original crimes, but for abetting those who do, which is in and of itself a crime, if done knowingly. [1] https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-ccips/legacy/2012/03/15/wattSent.pdf https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-ccips/l...
      - brigandish 2y ago
        In what way does a CDN abet others in crime, and what was the crime being abetted?

"after doing his time" So then have BigBalls at least do his time before handing him the keys to the kingdom.

brigandish 2y ago

And what would be the crime?

frereubu 2y ago
Assisting cybercrime by the sounds of things: "Two years before becoming a DOGE staffer, Coristine provided network support to a cybercrime group." That enough for you?
- nukem222 2y ago
  [dead]
- fastball 2y ago
  > So then have BigBalls at least do his time before handing him the keys to the kingdom. Given that he hasn't been charged with a crime (much less convicted), the "time" he is due to serve is zero.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Given recent news, charging crimes is not really stopping this government.
- brigandish 2y ago
  How does providing a CDN assist a cybercrime group in committing a crime? Specifically.
safety1st 2y ago
[flagged]
- exe34 2y ago
  or, you know, the actual crime that he did do. an unrepentant and unpunished criminal gets into government and draws attention to himself - did you miss that part?
  - safety1st 2y ago
    Oh, he committed a crime? Can you link us to an article about the charge and the conviction? Or is it the case that neither one of those exist at this time... And you are judging him for a crime that he has not yet been charged for, let alone convicted... One might almost say... For a pre-crime...
    - exe34 2y ago
      that's not what pre-crime means.
bilbo0s 2y ago
I can't tell if this is a serious question or not? So this response is only in the case that it is a serious question. Please ignore if I've misapprehended the sarcasm. Based on what I read, the minimum would be aiding and abetting. At least, that's what it would be here in Wisconsin.
- LinuxBender 2y ago
  aiding and abetting Not a lawyer but I think that only sticks if the CDN he managed was specifically built for criminals and the selling points were to hide criminal activity similar to some bullet-proof hosting solutions otherwise Akamai, Bunny, Cloudflare and many others would be seized as they have a myriad of criminals utilizing their network as well but I could be wrong. Was there solid evidence that this CDN was purpose built for criminal usage such as proof of intent?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > only sticks if the CDN he managed was specifically built for criminals Why? If he knew it was being used for crime sufficiently to let him brag about it to the FBI, he’s complicit.
    - LinuxBender 2y ago
      Why? If he knew it was being used for crime sufficiently to let him brag about it to the FBI, he’s complicit. I don't follow. I can brag about Akamai or Cloudflare being used for criminal activity and still use it myself or even promote it to others. That is a strong selling point in that if criminals can use it then it's less likely my crass meme sites might be taken down. Was the CDN he promoted only sold to criminals explicitly for criminal activity? e.g. not logging admin access, hiding identities of criminals, promoting the support of illegal content, etc... The difference in my eye is the intent to use for illegal means vs. the illegal usage of a generic tool as a by-product. Was he actively promoting illegal usage to the would-be clients? As for boasting about it to the FBI I would want to hear the actual dialogue. Media have been putting slants on details as they know crapping on DOGE is popular right now. In reference to intent an example would be if one hosts an anonymous forum or chan site and someone uploads illegal content they are protected from criminal prosecution assuming they quickly remove said content whereas if they host an anonymous forum or chan site and promote the sharing of illegal material then they are no longer protected.
AdamN 2y ago
Active support of a criminal enterprise. I believe it's not just a state crime but also federal.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
I don't know the law precisely, but if I attempt to emulate the US leadership, then: It's radical lefty anti-establishment behaviour which is obviously criminal and I can't believe you're even asking such a ridiculous question when anyone who has lived in the real world for longer than a week would implicitly know the answer. I would have used caps in select places to improve the parody, but I didn't want to seem actually serious.
Kapura 2y ago
read the article.
- brigandish 2y ago
  I did. What would be the crime?
  - arevno 2y ago
    The Feds have prosecuted people[1] not for committing original crimes, but for abetting those who do, which is in and of itself a crime, if done knowingly. [1] https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-ccips/legacy/2012/03/15/wattSent.pdf https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-ccips/l...
    - brigandish 2y ago
      In what way does a CDN abet others in crime, and what was the crime being abetted?