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> I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face). Is life so bad in E

by nkrisc 2y ago

> I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face). Is life so bad in Europe that’s what you have to complain about? Sounds truly like a nightmare - caps attached to bottles? Barbaric.

soulofmischief 2y ago
They're pointing out a surface-level symptom of a much deeper bureaucratic sickness in parts of Europe. There's a reason British comedy is what it is.
- foldr 2y ago
  It’s very easy to start a business in the UK and the regulatory environment isn’t particularly hostile to it. It depends a lot on what line of business you’re in, of course (as it does anywhere else).
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    Unless my business is providing secure end-to-end communication to users in accordance with their basic human right to privacy and presumed innocence. https://cointelegraph.com/news/whatsapp-signal-eu-chat-control-bill https://cointelegraph.com/news/whatsapp-signal-eu-chat-contr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel_Durov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel...
    - foldr 2y ago
      This feels like an attempt to derail the conversation rather than contribute to it. The arrest of Pavel Durov has nothing to do with the UK.
      - soulofmischief 2y ago
        Who said it had to do with the UK? The UK is part of Europe, and both the EU and UK have been introducing backdoor bills, the Online Safety Act and Chat Control respectively, and thus Europe as a whole has a political climate that is anti-freedom. So does the US, but Europe does, too.
        foldr 2y ago
        My post that you responded to was specifically about the UK. You’re talking about someone being arrested in France. Your complaints about various pieces of legislation may be justified, but they’re not pertinent.
        soulofmischief 2y ago
        Did you forget that my first message, which you replied to, was specifically about Europe? So you replied about the UK specifically. I catered to that, and then reconnected it back to Europe as a whole, which I was originally discussing. If someone here is derailing the conversation, it isn't me. Especially now that we're discussing the meta and not even the original subject.
- AdamN 2y ago
  What's wrong with recycling the bottle caps and not having them all over the place because they're small and otherwise fall onto the streets, sewers, and trails?? It's really not a problem to have the lid attached to the bottle - works totally fine for me whether it's milk, soda, or apple juice.
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    I'm not OP, but to me, the bureaucratic issue is that plastic bottles should be wholesale banned instead of this halfass attempt at regulation or heavily purchase-controlled.
    - pastage 2y ago
      This is a political and economic issue though, there is no support for this.

by nkrisc 2y ago

soulofmischief 2y ago

They're pointing out a surface-level symptom of a much deeper bureaucratic sickness in parts of Europe. There's a reason British comedy is what it is.

foldr 2y ago
It’s very easy to start a business in the UK and the regulatory environment isn’t particularly hostile to it. It depends a lot on what line of business you’re in, of course (as it does anywhere else).
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  Unless my business is providing secure end-to-end communication to users in accordance with their basic human right to privacy and presumed innocence. https://cointelegraph.com/news/whatsapp-signal-eu-chat-control-bill https://cointelegraph.com/news/whatsapp-signal-eu-chat-contr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel_Durov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel...
  - foldr 2y ago
    This feels like an attempt to derail the conversation rather than contribute to it. The arrest of Pavel Durov has nothing to do with the UK.
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      Who said it had to do with the UK? The UK is part of Europe, and both the EU and UK have been introducing backdoor bills, the Online Safety Act and Chat Control respectively, and thus Europe as a whole has a political climate that is anti-freedom. So does the US, but Europe does, too.
      - foldr 2y ago
        My post that you responded to was specifically about the UK. You’re talking about someone being arrested in France. Your complaints about various pieces of legislation may be justified, but they’re not pertinent.
        soulofmischief 2y ago
        Did you forget that my first message, which you replied to, was specifically about Europe? So you replied about the UK specifically. I catered to that, and then reconnected it back to Europe as a whole, which I was originally discussing. If someone here is derailing the conversation, it isn't me. Especially now that we're discussing the meta and not even the original subject.
AdamN 2y ago
What's wrong with recycling the bottle caps and not having them all over the place because they're small and otherwise fall onto the streets, sewers, and trails?? It's really not a problem to have the lid attached to the bottle - works totally fine for me whether it's milk, soda, or apple juice.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  I'm not OP, but to me, the bureaucratic issue is that plastic bottles should be wholesale banned instead of this halfass attempt at regulation or heavily purchase-controlled.
  - pastage 2y ago
    This is a political and economic issue though, there is no support for this.