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18 USC 793(f) seems to apply here: "Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing ... through gross negligence

18 USC 793(f) seems to apply here: "Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing ... through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust ... and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both." We can only guess about the "prompt reporting of the issue", but from what I've seen and heard I'm willing to put money on the fact that, no, this was not reported.

bb88 2y ago
Why would the FBI investigate anyone who would be pardoned by the president anyway?
- belter 2y ago
  Don't worry, Courts are going away also... "Speaker Mike Johnson floats eliminating federal courts as GOP ramps up attacks on judges" - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-mike-johnson-floats-eliminating-federal-courts-rcna197986 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-mike-johns...
  - imglorp 2y ago
    Yes and the legislature after that. These are all smart people, so it boggles the mind to wonder how they can install a totalitarian regime without knowing the next two steps in the playbook.
    - chasil 2y ago
      Jefferson might have been called a totalitarian had the word existed when he signed the judiciary act of 1802, which removed judges added by federalists. I have learned about it this week. https://gingrich360.com/2025/03/18/an-intolerable-judicial-dictatorship/ https://gingrich360.com/2025/03/18/an-intolerable-judicial-d...
      - bb88 2y ago
        Relevant quote here: Jefferson wrote that making judges the ultimate deciders of law would “place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.” Seriously that's cognitive dissonance 101. "Elon Musk can't be an oligarch. He's a great Americ... I mean South African". I also hesitate why anyone would want a 360 degree view of Newt Gingrich. In real life or otherwise. /s
        chasil 2y ago
        Gengrich is an interesting subject of study precisely because he worked so well with Clinton that the roaring '90s happened. Clinton fared poorly under Democratic control of the house in his first two years, which was lost in the midterms. Clinton prospered with Gengrich, and the .com era occurred under their aegis. Some bad decisions were made by them, no doubt.
        bb88 2y ago
        Having been an adult in the 90s that is historical revisionism. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/newt-gingrichs-1995-shutdown-came-fit-pique/578923/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/newt-gi...
        chasil 2y ago
        Government shutdowns are a political act, designed to curry favor with supporters in the base. It is advocated by both sides, to this day. The obvious case in modern point is Schumer. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/23/chuck-schumer-democrats-funding-bill https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/23/chuck-schume...
        watwut 2y ago
        Yes, there is no difference beetween what republicans were doing back then and what democrats were wanting now /s This is why bothsidism is ridiculous. Both sides are the same! Both are accusing the other one of something wrong! Oh, it does not matter than one is lying and other is saying the truth.
  - belter 2y ago
    And Law Firms.. "Donald Trump widens war on legal industry with order targeting Jenner & Block" - https://www.ft.com/content/4f1aca93-62b5-419f-9182-a3a10bbe77c6 https://www.ft.com/content/4f1aca93-62b5-419f-9182-a3a10bbe7... "Legal community shaken by a powerful law firm's decision to give in to Trump's demands" - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/legal-community-shaken-powerful-law-firm-paul-weiss-trump-rcna197490 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/legal-... "Trump’s crackdown on top law firms spreads to Congress" - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/24/retribution-big-law-capitol-hill-00246766 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/24/retribution-big-law... "The person predicted the impact could extend beyond Congress: “If you’re Google or Meta or Apple – you’re thinking, ‘Do I really want to use these firms?’ That could make it harder to work with the White House...."
dcow 2y ago
Gabbard confirmed that no classified information was contained in the conversation.
- thefreeman 2y ago
  “confirmed”
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- xeromal 2y ago
  But also decided she couldn't share the same information with the committee.
- Analemma_ 2y ago
  “We investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty.”
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  They are playing with semantics on minor technicalities that are irrelevant because federal code is expansive enough to make this breach a clear violation of the law on multiple counts. The Senators rightly grilled these incompetents on why couldn't they disclose the nature of the communications if they were unclassified and not sensitive. The capable adults from the 45th administration are gone because they were too responsible. You can see what happens when you draw from a pool of nothing but drooling sub-80s.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  And promptly proceeded to tell the same senators that she couldn't share the information with them because it was classified.
- MPSFounder 2y ago
  Traitors like her being in the highest offices of the land makes me sick. I will never forget images of her meeting Assad after that sob gazed children with chemical weapons, or her voting present to an impeachment. I wouldn't believe that traitor if she told me the Russians were at my doorstep. We have a circus filled with clowns unfortunately. The desk with Patel and her being interrogated is such a clown show.
throwaway2037 2y ago
> through gross negligence If you talk to someone with a law degree (judge, lawyer, whatever), they will tell you that "gross negligence" is very high barrier to cross in US law. Most people misunderstand that. It is very unlikely that any of the people in that chat group would be found grossly negligent, especially for their first mistake. Please do not read that last sentence as an apology or excuse for their behaviour; they should be reprimanded for it.

bb88 2y ago

Why would the FBI investigate anyone who would be pardoned by the president anyway?

belter 2y ago
Don't worry, Courts are going away also... "Speaker Mike Johnson floats eliminating federal courts as GOP ramps up attacks on judges" - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-mike-johnson-floats-eliminating-federal-courts-rcna197986 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-mike-johns...
- imglorp 2y ago
  Yes and the legislature after that. These are all smart people, so it boggles the mind to wonder how they can install a totalitarian regime without knowing the next two steps in the playbook.
  - chasil 2y ago
    Jefferson might have been called a totalitarian had the word existed when he signed the judiciary act of 1802, which removed judges added by federalists. I have learned about it this week. https://gingrich360.com/2025/03/18/an-intolerable-judicial-dictatorship/ https://gingrich360.com/2025/03/18/an-intolerable-judicial-d...
    - bb88 2y ago
      Relevant quote here: Jefferson wrote that making judges the ultimate deciders of law would “place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.” Seriously that's cognitive dissonance 101. "Elon Musk can't be an oligarch. He's a great Americ... I mean South African". I also hesitate why anyone would want a 360 degree view of Newt Gingrich. In real life or otherwise. /s
      - chasil 2y ago
        Gengrich is an interesting subject of study precisely because he worked so well with Clinton that the roaring '90s happened. Clinton fared poorly under Democratic control of the house in his first two years, which was lost in the midterms. Clinton prospered with Gengrich, and the .com era occurred under their aegis. Some bad decisions were made by them, no doubt.
        bb88 2y ago
        Having been an adult in the 90s that is historical revisionism. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/newt-gingrichs-1995-shutdown-came-fit-pique/578923/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/newt-gi...
        chasil 2y ago
        Government shutdowns are a political act, designed to curry favor with supporters in the base. It is advocated by both sides, to this day. The obvious case in modern point is Schumer. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/23/chuck-schumer-democrats-funding-bill https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/23/chuck-schume...
        watwut 2y ago
        Yes, there is no difference beetween what republicans were doing back then and what democrats were wanting now /s This is why bothsidism is ridiculous. Both sides are the same! Both are accusing the other one of something wrong! Oh, it does not matter than one is lying and other is saying the truth.
- belter 2y ago
  And Law Firms.. "Donald Trump widens war on legal industry with order targeting Jenner & Block" - https://www.ft.com/content/4f1aca93-62b5-419f-9182-a3a10bbe77c6 https://www.ft.com/content/4f1aca93-62b5-419f-9182-a3a10bbe7... "Legal community shaken by a powerful law firm's decision to give in to Trump's demands" - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/legal-community-shaken-powerful-law-firm-paul-weiss-trump-rcna197490 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/legal-... "Trump’s crackdown on top law firms spreads to Congress" - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/24/retribution-big-law-capitol-hill-00246766 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/24/retribution-big-law... "The person predicted the impact could extend beyond Congress: “If you’re Google or Meta or Apple – you’re thinking, ‘Do I really want to use these firms?’ That could make it harder to work with the White House...."

dcow 2y ago

Gabbard confirmed that no classified information was contained in the conversation.

thefreeman 2y ago
“confirmed”
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
xeromal 2y ago
But also decided she couldn't share the same information with the committee.
Analemma_ 2y ago
“We investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty.”
kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
They are playing with semantics on minor technicalities that are irrelevant because federal code is expansive enough to make this breach a clear violation of the law on multiple counts. The Senators rightly grilled these incompetents on why couldn't they disclose the nature of the communications if they were unclassified and not sensitive. The capable adults from the 45th administration are gone because they were too responsible. You can see what happens when you draw from a pool of nothing but drooling sub-80s.
adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
And promptly proceeded to tell the same senators that she couldn't share the information with them because it was classified.
MPSFounder 2y ago
Traitors like her being in the highest offices of the land makes me sick. I will never forget images of her meeting Assad after that sob gazed children with chemical weapons, or her voting present to an impeachment. I wouldn't believe that traitor if she told me the Russians were at my doorstep. We have a circus filled with clowns unfortunately. The desk with Patel and her being interrogated is such a clown show.

throwaway2037 2y ago

> through gross negligence If you talk to someone with a law degree (judge, lawyer, whatever), they will tell you that "gross negligence" is very high barrier to cross in US law. Most people misunderstand that. It is very unlikely that any of the people in that chat group would be found grossly negligent, especially for their first mistake. Please do not read that last sentence as an apology or excuse for their behaviour; they should be reprimanded for it.