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The administration has not made this argument though. You have. So why should we default to the position of not trusting those systems when every previous admi

The administration has not made this argument though. You have. So why should we default to the position of not trusting those systems when every previous administration has used it without issus.

ctrlp 2y ago
Many people are making the argument that this administration is unlike all previous administrations. I infer you disagree with that.
- KerrAvon 2y ago
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  - ctrlp 2y ago
    I'm sorry, are you some kind of troll? You should work on your delivery a bit. Get a grip.
    - cluckindan 2y ago
      Likely a sock puppet account taken over to spread inversion propaganda, where Trump denouncers get called MAGA just to screw with people’s perceptions and beliefs. Gaslighting, essentially. Russian operated puppets have been spreading similar stuff everywhere they can. When MAGA ppl do something stupid, they’re instantly there flat out calling them lefties and communists, etc. to shift blame, confuse readers and devolve meaningful discussions into name-calling and pointless debate.
      - ctrlp 2y ago
        I fear there's a ton of that going on rather indiscriminately just to sow outrage, waste everyone's time, and demoralize people. I don't believe it's a left/right phenomenon. Anything that trivializes or antagonizes the discourse benefits American global competitors.
kelipso 2y ago
The argument is that there are many organizations in the current government, a lot of them independent agencies, that are politically aligned against the Trump administration. Many people in these organizations have backdoor or spying access to government communications, and so members of the Trump admin can't trust government systems for communication.
- ctrlp 2y ago
  Yes. Thank you for making it succinctly.
  - hkpack 2y ago
    So they choose worse - to use untrusted channels? This is a phenomenal level of stupidity - to use illegal channels of communication because of the bad vibes they are feeling from other people? Did it help? How many adversary spy agencies has duplicate signal accounts for these officials and see all of the communication live? I think some foreign leaders probably are reading summaries of these messages in complete disbelief and amusement.
- abeyer 2y ago
  I'd be interested in knowing which independent agencies have backdoored the military's operational communication channels. Wasn't aware that was a well known thing.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    Is this really such a strange thing to be concerned about? Snowden, NSA, etc...people remember. It’s well known that Trump’s campaign team was spied on by the FBI. Government is just a bunch of people, some of whom have strong political leanings, so intra-government leaks, spying, sabotage can happen and in all likelihood do happen.
    - threeseed 2y ago
      But this is an unfounded conspiracy theory you’ve made up. There is no evidence, reporting etc that says the government has deliberately compromised the government’s own secure systems. And for what purpose is beyond me.

The administration has not made this argument though. You have. So why should we default to the position of not trusting those systems when every previous administration has used it without issus.

ctrlp 2y ago

Many people are making the argument that this administration is unlike all previous administrations. I infer you disagree with that.

KerrAvon 2y ago
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- ctrlp 2y ago
  I'm sorry, are you some kind of troll? You should work on your delivery a bit. Get a grip.
  - cluckindan 2y ago
    Likely a sock puppet account taken over to spread inversion propaganda, where Trump denouncers get called MAGA just to screw with people’s perceptions and beliefs. Gaslighting, essentially. Russian operated puppets have been spreading similar stuff everywhere they can. When MAGA ppl do something stupid, they’re instantly there flat out calling them lefties and communists, etc. to shift blame, confuse readers and devolve meaningful discussions into name-calling and pointless debate.
    - ctrlp 2y ago
      I fear there's a ton of that going on rather indiscriminately just to sow outrage, waste everyone's time, and demoralize people. I don't believe it's a left/right phenomenon. Anything that trivializes or antagonizes the discourse benefits American global competitors.

kelipso 2y ago

The argument is that there are many organizations in the current government, a lot of them independent agencies, that are politically aligned against the Trump administration. Many people in these organizations have backdoor or spying access to government communications, and so members of the Trump admin can't trust government systems for communication.

ctrlp 2y ago
Yes. Thank you for making it succinctly.
- hkpack 2y ago
  So they choose worse - to use untrusted channels? This is a phenomenal level of stupidity - to use illegal channels of communication because of the bad vibes they are feeling from other people? Did it help? How many adversary spy agencies has duplicate signal accounts for these officials and see all of the communication live? I think some foreign leaders probably are reading summaries of these messages in complete disbelief and amusement.
abeyer 2y ago
I'd be interested in knowing which independent agencies have backdoored the military's operational communication channels. Wasn't aware that was a well known thing.
- kelipso 2y ago
  Is this really such a strange thing to be concerned about? Snowden, NSA, etc...people remember. It’s well known that Trump’s campaign team was spied on by the FBI. Government is just a bunch of people, some of whom have strong political leanings, so intra-government leaks, spying, sabotage can happen and in all likelihood do happen.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    But this is an unfounded conspiracy theory you’ve made up. There is no evidence, reporting etc that says the government has deliberately compromised the government’s own secure systems. And for what purpose is beyond me.