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Education can't be standardized because business is not standardized. It's about relationships and every shop does things their own way. Teachers should just go

Education can't be standardized because business is not standardized. It's about relationships and every shop does things their own way. Teachers should just go contract and provide their own courses. The degree is really can't designate what the person knows.

kelseyfrog 2y ago
That's right. Education should be universalized, not standardized. The commodification of education will eventually make it useless. Universal, bespoke education is the ideal, but it's usually prohibitively expensive.
- bluGill 2y ago
  I strongly disagree. Commodification of education is very important. I want everyone to have the commodity reading writing arithmetic education. It might be faster for the student to give one on one teaching, but everyone needs this and I want it such a commodity that we give it to even the poorest "third world" kids who have nothing. As you get beyond those basics you have to become an expert in something that there are few experts in. McDonald's success is mostly based on their ability to take you from zero to a productive crew member fast. It takes many years to make a brain surgeon, in large part because we haven't commodified it - if we needed more we should (but since the world doesn't really need many it isn't worth it)
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    Commodification denies a universal pedagogy. We've known this since the 1970s. If you want a system that appeals to a plurality, and leaves the rest behind, commodification will deliver just that.
bluGill 2y ago
There is a lot of value to standardizing things though. Most of what people need to learn is standard. 2+2, i before e... There is the more nebulous step of can you solve problems, but even that is taught at the lower levels in a standard way. Eventually you get to a level where the answer hasn't been taught much and so there is no standard, but that only happens late in your education. Of course education itself needs more research. "learning styles" was debunked last I heard, but is there some variation that says some people need different teaching? Is there a better way to teach things? However if you are not involved in this research you should be teaching in standard ways that have been proven to work.
- a2tech 2y ago
  I before e isn’t even standard.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    English needs to be standardized / simplified /reformed. I don't know how to make that happen.
mejutoco 2y ago
On the other side, pallets and standard shipping containers exist.

kelseyfrog 2y ago

That's right. Education should be universalized, not standardized. The commodification of education will eventually make it useless. Universal, bespoke education is the ideal, but it's usually prohibitively expensive.

bluGill 2y ago
I strongly disagree. Commodification of education is very important. I want everyone to have the commodity reading writing arithmetic education. It might be faster for the student to give one on one teaching, but everyone needs this and I want it such a commodity that we give it to even the poorest "third world" kids who have nothing. As you get beyond those basics you have to become an expert in something that there are few experts in. McDonald's success is mostly based on their ability to take you from zero to a productive crew member fast. It takes many years to make a brain surgeon, in large part because we haven't commodified it - if we needed more we should (but since the world doesn't really need many it isn't worth it)
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
  Commodification denies a universal pedagogy. We've known this since the 1970s. If you want a system that appeals to a plurality, and leaves the rest behind, commodification will deliver just that.

bluGill 2y ago

There is a lot of value to standardizing things though. Most of what people need to learn is standard. 2+2, i before e... There is the more nebulous step of can you solve problems, but even that is taught at the lower levels in a standard way. Eventually you get to a level where the answer hasn't been taught much and so there is no standard, but that only happens late in your education. Of course education itself needs more research. "learning styles" was debunked last I heard, but is there some variation that says some people need different teaching? Is there a better way to teach things? However if you are not involved in this research you should be teaching in standard ways that have been proven to work.

a2tech 2y ago
I before e isn’t even standard.
- bluGill 2y ago
  English needs to be standardized / simplified /reformed. I don't know how to make that happen.

mejutoco 2y ago

On the other side, pallets and standard shipping containers exist.