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Wireless will _never_ have the bandwidth nor wall-penetration people want. If it has the latter all the neighboring houses / apartment units will bleed through

Wireless will _never_ have the bandwidth nor wall-penetration people want. If it has the latter all the neighboring houses / apartment units will bleed through, and if it doesn't even the limited frequency domain won't be enough unless you're in the same room as an AP that doesn't penetrate walls... at which point everyone will want drops running to the rooms they stay in anyway. Yeah, conduits with pull strings and super-gentle curves (to safely satisfy minimum bends) are ideal... but at least run the lines there! Re: Copper / Fiber. Fiber's a PITA for all users, even powerusers probably don't want it outside of the rack / enclosed areas. Delicate cables / connections.

Dylan16807 2y ago
5-6GHz is good at covering a house without too much leakage. And with 9 separate channels that each run at a gigabit or higher, you can have very good neighbor avoidance. That seems fine to me for covering both bandwidth and wall-penetration needs. In a big apartment building you might have to use more narrow channels but I still think the overall picture for 5+6GHz is a good one. Especially because MIMO can squeeze a gigabit into 80MHz or theoretically even 40MHz.
- mjevans 2y ago
  The 6ghz spectrum finally looks useful compared to the DFS tainted (in practice, if you're anywhere near an airport or military air base NEVER use) 5ghz bands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#6_GHz_(802.11ax_and_802.11be) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#6_GHz_(8... In 5ghz there was only a clean 80mhz + 160mhz block ; while the 6ghz full WiFi 6E / 7 devices can use has 3x full 320mhz (low power only) blocks. However as a negative, a _vanishingly_ small number of OpenWRT devices support either of those standards https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_16128_wlan6.0ghz https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_16128_wlan6.0ghz and worse chances are really good someone's phone / laptop probably doesn't either.
chgs 2y ago
99% of people don’t need the bandwidth. Of devices that can really benefit (mainly games consoles assuming your upstream connectivity is enough to cope), how many even have a copper port nowadays?

Dylan16807 2y ago

5-6GHz is good at covering a house without too much leakage. And with 9 separate channels that each run at a gigabit or higher, you can have very good neighbor avoidance. That seems fine to me for covering both bandwidth and wall-penetration needs. In a big apartment building you might have to use more narrow channels but I still think the overall picture for 5+6GHz is a good one. Especially because MIMO can squeeze a gigabit into 80MHz or theoretically even 40MHz.

mjevans 2y ago
The 6ghz spectrum finally looks useful compared to the DFS tainted (in practice, if you're anywhere near an airport or military air base NEVER use) 5ghz bands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#6_GHz_(802.11ax_and_802.11be) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#6_GHz_(8... In 5ghz there was only a clean 80mhz + 160mhz block ; while the 6ghz full WiFi 6E / 7 devices can use has 3x full 320mhz (low power only) blocks. However as a negative, a _vanishingly_ small number of OpenWRT devices support either of those standards https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_16128_wlan6.0ghz https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_16128_wlan6.0ghz and worse chances are really good someone's phone / laptop probably doesn't either.

chgs 2y ago

99% of people don’t need the bandwidth. Of devices that can really benefit (mainly games consoles assuming your upstream connectivity is enough to cope), how many even have a copper port nowadays?