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To me, it's pretty funny. It's like we're being told "hey, don't worry, this is the world's smartest guy, and he's going to, in a heartbeat, examine every dolla

To me, it's pretty funny. It's like we're being told "hey, don't worry, this is the world's smartest guy, and he's going to, in a heartbeat, examine every dollar of spending and tell us what to cut. And oh yeah, he didn't anticipate that Tesla might be hurt by his actions."

tonyhart7 2y ago
he should never use twitter tbh, back then elon is likeable until he tweet 20 times a day
- coliveira 2y ago
  How is he going to manipulate his stock price without using social networks to spread rumors?
- thinkindie 2y ago
  back to when exactly? Let's remember for a moment his behaviour with the Thai cave episode, he wasn't any better. Thing is, people just put up stupid stickers about purchasing their Teslas before he went nuts, but he has never been centered.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Back to when his behaviour included things like rage-quitting Trump's advisory council in protest of Trump leaving the Paris climate accord.
  - hsuduebc2 2y ago
    Exactly. He is the same. This "new" audience just tolerate this man baby cringe much better.
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    > As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, 'I am the alpha in this relationship,'" Justine, his first wife, revealed in a 2010 column Or going further back, he got pushed down some stairs as a kid because he was bullying someone whose father had killed himself.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      He's an asshole. So was Steve Jobs. We're better off with brilliant assholes devoting themselves to industry than politics.
      - johneth 2y ago
        Elon's not brilliant, he's just lucky.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Elon's not brilliant, he's just lucky Est-il habile où est-il heureux [1]? [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Mazarin https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Mazarin not Napoleon
        Sabinus 2y ago
        You don't get lucky building both Tesla and SpaceX. Bezos spent the same amount of time and money on a rocket company and they haven't got far. Elon does have something going, it's just unlikely the competence carries over to national and international politics.
        scarab92 2y ago
        PayPal, OpenAI, Neuralink too The guy is clearly very skilled at identifying opportunities and putting together the best team to execute on them. Probably better than any other human alive today. People may not like the guy for whatever reason, but saying he isn’t talented is absurd.
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    being asshole in private is still different than being asshole in front of the world
- api 2y ago
  I think Twitter is partly responsible for destroying his mind, with the rest of the job being done by drugs. It's an inherently toxic format. It promotes incoherent, contradiction-ridden, emotionally-driven, short-attention-span meme-think. IMHO Bluesky is no better, which is why I'm not there. It's the same format, an incoherent soup of sound bites competing to emotionally trigger you into amplifying them. This format is the kind of thing a mad scientist would design with the explicit goal of rotting the human mind. The good thing about books and longer-form works... even things as long as Reddit and HN comments... is that they can encapsulate complete thoughts that are connected to other thoughts. Building systems of thinking is how humans reason coherently about the world. Meme soup reduces us to some kind of animal level of grunts and short-horizon reactions but with language. It's gross. I've been calling "social" media companies in general "the tobacco companies of the mind" for years.
  - hsuduebc2 2y ago
    I'm not using it for the same reason. It tailors the content to trigger emotional reactions-usually negative ones. I'd often leave X feeling like people are just evil, idiotic creatures. That's not healthy. Kinda ironic that the so-called prodigy of our generation is letting himself get manipulated by his own platform's algorithm-promoting garbage to himself just to better manipulate others.
  - rchaud 2y ago
    Being radicalized by the Internet isn't an excuse for teenage Isis fighters, nor is it one for a 55 year old man.
    - disqard 2y ago
      I get where you're coming from (and I've rolled my eyes at the "video games cause violence" line of reasoning myself). However, there is much wisdom in McLuhan's "we become what we behold" -- and consuming too much "social media" turns one into a performative puppet. Twitter is the distilled version of this (Jaron Lanier called it "Twitter Poisoning"). If Elon Husk huffing Twitter 24/7 while owning Twitter isn't a case of "getting high on your own supply", then I don't know what is.
- ryandvm 2y ago
  Never meet your heroes indeed. I have a feeling that if Einstein, Newton, Leonardo da Vinci, Churchill or really any of the great historical figures had access to Twitter, there legacies (or lack thereof) would be very different today.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    Churchill was known to be very problematic and his career outside of the war wasn't exactly stellar as he had some dubious opinions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767 Newton was known to be very egotistical and his grudge with Hooke was well known: https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/isaac-newton-dark-side-history/ https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/isaac-newton-dark-si... Einstein was generally considered a very kind and generous man, outside of his marriages: https://www.grunge.com/264270/the-dark-side-of-albert-einstein/ https://www.grunge.com/264270/the-dark-side-of-albert-einste... I don't know much about da Vinci, though he designed machines for war and he must have performed a lot of macabre work on cadavers for his research into anatomy (not that studying anatomy is a bad thing).
  - tonyhart7 2y ago
    "Never meet your heroes indeed." they have different values on life because they literally built different, thrown people at hard times and that would change people see life
- palmotea 2y ago
  > he should never use twitter tbh, back then elon is likeable until he tweet 20 times a day Was that before or after he started over-promising/lying about Tesla's full self driving capabilities? I don't think he was ever likable, it's just that back then his reputation hadn't caught up with his hype.
toss1 2y ago
Yup And it is not even the intent of his actions, it is the haphazard, chainsaw slash-&-burn, "move fast and break things" way he is doing them. The same thing was done by Al Gore in the 1990s, cutting 250,000 federal jobs, eliminating 100+ programs, and consolidating over 800 agencies [0], all without creating these kinds of programs — specifically because Gore CONSIDERED all the issues and players and worked with congress to get it all done in a rational, and more importantly effective way. And that effort is respected decades later. In Musk was using a similar approach, he'd earn respect, which indicates he is not making changes for efficiency for the government or people, but to slash-&-burn for his specific goals, e.g., gutting regulators requiring him to behave responsibly in his businesses. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Partnership_for_Reinventing_Government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Partnership_for_Reinv...
hsuduebc2 2y ago
I get you. It's still amusing to see the increasingly creative ways his fanboys come up with to cope. In the end, it all turns into blind belief in him, just because they see him as part of their tribe. Just another reminder that deep down, we're still just a bunch of unga bunga monkeys.
bfmalky 2y ago
I don't think it is his DOGE antics that are affecting the european sales though, I think it was the Nazi salute. That went down very badly this side of the Atlantic.
- ABS 2y ago
  The Nazi salutes, the repeated commentary on individual European countries politics, his explicit support of far right parties in various European countries (at the time) upcoming elections. The related spread of misinformation at best and disinformation at worst via his x account regarding individuals in Europe he opposed, and so on and so forth.

tonyhart7 2y ago

he should never use twitter tbh, back then elon is likeable until he tweet 20 times a day

coliveira 2y ago
How is he going to manipulate his stock price without using social networks to spread rumors?
thinkindie 2y ago
back to when exactly? Let's remember for a moment his behaviour with the Thai cave episode, he wasn't any better. Thing is, people just put up stupid stickers about purchasing their Teslas before he went nuts, but he has never been centered.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Back to when his behaviour included things like rage-quitting Trump's advisory council in protest of Trump leaving the Paris climate accord.
- hsuduebc2 2y ago
  Exactly. He is the same. This "new" audience just tolerate this man baby cringe much better.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  > As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, 'I am the alpha in this relationship,'" Justine, his first wife, revealed in a 2010 column Or going further back, he got pushed down some stairs as a kid because he was bullying someone whose father had killed himself.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    He's an asshole. So was Steve Jobs. We're better off with brilliant assholes devoting themselves to industry than politics.
    - johneth 2y ago
      Elon's not brilliant, he's just lucky.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Elon's not brilliant, he's just lucky Est-il habile où est-il heureux [1]? [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Mazarin https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Mazarin not Napoleon
      - Sabinus 2y ago
        You don't get lucky building both Tesla and SpaceX. Bezos spent the same amount of time and money on a rocket company and they haven't got far. Elon does have something going, it's just unlikely the competence carries over to national and international politics.
        scarab92 2y ago
        PayPal, OpenAI, Neuralink too The guy is clearly very skilled at identifying opportunities and putting together the best team to execute on them. Probably better than any other human alive today. People may not like the guy for whatever reason, but saying he isn’t talented is absurd.
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  being asshole in private is still different than being asshole in front of the world
api 2y ago
I think Twitter is partly responsible for destroying his mind, with the rest of the job being done by drugs. It's an inherently toxic format. It promotes incoherent, contradiction-ridden, emotionally-driven, short-attention-span meme-think. IMHO Bluesky is no better, which is why I'm not there. It's the same format, an incoherent soup of sound bites competing to emotionally trigger you into amplifying them. This format is the kind of thing a mad scientist would design with the explicit goal of rotting the human mind. The good thing about books and longer-form works... even things as long as Reddit and HN comments... is that they can encapsulate complete thoughts that are connected to other thoughts. Building systems of thinking is how humans reason coherently about the world. Meme soup reduces us to some kind of animal level of grunts and short-horizon reactions but with language. It's gross. I've been calling "social" media companies in general "the tobacco companies of the mind" for years.
- hsuduebc2 2y ago
  I'm not using it for the same reason. It tailors the content to trigger emotional reactions-usually negative ones. I'd often leave X feeling like people are just evil, idiotic creatures. That's not healthy. Kinda ironic that the so-called prodigy of our generation is letting himself get manipulated by his own platform's algorithm-promoting garbage to himself just to better manipulate others.
- rchaud 2y ago
  Being radicalized by the Internet isn't an excuse for teenage Isis fighters, nor is it one for a 55 year old man.
  - disqard 2y ago
    I get where you're coming from (and I've rolled my eyes at the "video games cause violence" line of reasoning myself). However, there is much wisdom in McLuhan's "we become what we behold" -- and consuming too much "social media" turns one into a performative puppet. Twitter is the distilled version of this (Jaron Lanier called it "Twitter Poisoning"). If Elon Husk huffing Twitter 24/7 while owning Twitter isn't a case of "getting high on your own supply", then I don't know what is.
ryandvm 2y ago
Never meet your heroes indeed. I have a feeling that if Einstein, Newton, Leonardo da Vinci, Churchill or really any of the great historical figures had access to Twitter, there legacies (or lack thereof) would be very different today.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  Churchill was known to be very problematic and his career outside of the war wasn't exactly stellar as he had some dubious opinions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29701767 Newton was known to be very egotistical and his grudge with Hooke was well known: https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/isaac-newton-dark-side-history/ https://culturacolectiva.com/en/history/isaac-newton-dark-si... Einstein was generally considered a very kind and generous man, outside of his marriages: https://www.grunge.com/264270/the-dark-side-of-albert-einstein/ https://www.grunge.com/264270/the-dark-side-of-albert-einste... I don't know much about da Vinci, though he designed machines for war and he must have performed a lot of macabre work on cadavers for his research into anatomy (not that studying anatomy is a bad thing).
- tonyhart7 2y ago
  "Never meet your heroes indeed." they have different values on life because they literally built different, thrown people at hard times and that would change people see life
palmotea 2y ago
> he should never use twitter tbh, back then elon is likeable until he tweet 20 times a day Was that before or after he started over-promising/lying about Tesla's full self driving capabilities? I don't think he was ever likable, it's just that back then his reputation hadn't caught up with his hype.

toss1 2y ago

Yup And it is not even the intent of his actions, it is the haphazard, chainsaw slash-&-burn, "move fast and break things" way he is doing them. The same thing was done by Al Gore in the 1990s, cutting 250,000 federal jobs, eliminating 100+ programs, and consolidating over 800 agencies [0], all without creating these kinds of programs — specifically because Gore CONSIDERED all the issues and players and worked with congress to get it all done in a rational, and more importantly effective way. And that effort is respected decades later. In Musk was using a similar approach, he'd earn respect, which indicates he is not making changes for efficiency for the government or people, but to slash-&-burn for his specific goals, e.g., gutting regulators requiring him to behave responsibly in his businesses. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Partnership_for_Reinventing_Government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Partnership_for_Reinv...

hsuduebc2 2y ago

I get you. It's still amusing to see the increasingly creative ways his fanboys come up with to cope. In the end, it all turns into blind belief in him, just because they see him as part of their tribe. Just another reminder that deep down, we're still just a bunch of unga bunga monkeys.

bfmalky 2y ago

I don't think it is his DOGE antics that are affecting the european sales though, I think it was the Nazi salute. That went down very badly this side of the Atlantic.

ABS 2y ago
The Nazi salutes, the repeated commentary on individual European countries politics, his explicit support of far right parties in various European countries (at the time) upcoming elections. The related spread of misinformation at best and disinformation at worst via his x account regarding individuals in Europe he opposed, and so on and so forth.