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> Waltz set some of the messages in the Signal group to disappear after one week, and some after four. That raises questions about whether the officials may hav
by lapcat 2y ago
> Waltz set some of the messages in the Signal group to disappear after one week, and some after four. That raises questions about whether the officials may have violated federal records law: Text messages about official acts are considered records that should be preserved.
I suspect that this was the point of their using Signal, to avoid preservation of records.
- neverokay 2y agoThe DoD or Pentagon don’t have their own messaging apps? Maybe our government doesn’t spend enough on tech. To me this is the same as if this were happening on Zoom or Discord, since these are not exactly world war level apps. Finally, the echoes of Dr Strangelove are strong with this one. A veritable board room of talking heads that don’t ever really talk about life or death, but just the material numbers of raw commerce or messaging (deterrence) .
- burkaman 2y agoOf course they do, but you can't set official government apps to illegally delete messages after a week. Edit: Seems like they are supposed to use Microsoft Teams https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfTextMessagesOnMobileDevices-RM.pdf https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-.... Also - > When mission needs or the effective conduct of DoD business cannot be adequately supported by Microsoft Teams Chat, SMS texting may be used in accordance with DoDI 8170.01. In such cases, a complete copy of the record must be forwarded to an official DoD electronic messaging account of the user within 20 days of the record's original creation or transmission in accordance with Section 2911 of Title 44 U.S.C, and Component processes. The complete copy of the record includes the content of the message and required metadata, and the record must be retrievable and usable in compliance with the applicable retention schedule approved by the Archivist of the United States. DoD Component heads shall ensure that DoD users are provided guidance on their Component's processes for forwarding complete copies of records originating in SMS texts.
- tomohawk 2y ago[dead]
- themaninthedark 2y agoWeren't they told to stop using SMS due to Salt Typhoon?
- dzhiurgis 2y ago> not exactly world war level apps. And what is?
- neverokay 2y agoA face to face meeting in a bunker. But seriously, we pondered the psychological damage of those who are drone operators. How is this different? There should be more ceremony when making decisions like this, not an afternoon group chat. Dress for it, look yourself in the face for it. Be present. I’ll just say one thing about this administration. It is often true that when one thing is wrong with a man, then it’s possible all things are wrong with the man. We keep adding to the list, but I’m suggesting the inductive proof here. All things may be wrong with these men, which is scary.
- cteiosanu 2y agoAnd women
- AlecSchueler 2y agoThey removed all the women several weeks ago.
- DFHippie 2y agoTulsi Gabbard was in the chat.
- ttyprintk 2y agoThe smartest people who ever lived worked on mid-century Cold War strategy, which was non-partisan. Von Neumann, Thomas Schelling, etc. The Secretary of Defense is supposed to be the best possible communicator of those ideas to the President, at all hours of the day. You and I and everyone else in this thread know what crystal-forming pressure that meant for SECDEF in the 1960s. Nowadays, half of those potential qualities (for this President) come from just being seen on Fox News; he's already "dressed for it". But Hegseth is such an average person. With charisma, he could aw-shucks his way past the media. Unlike McNamara, Hegseth is not charged with proving how important a competent SECDEF is. Maybe even demonstrating how arbitrary the standard can be given such an average person can just, well, phone it in. While it's true that no sum of such average people will ever approach one John Von Neumann, it's not fair to blame an average person with some self-awareness for their every flaw. Which is why Hegseth's denials move the needle from "forgivable mistakes expected from Joe Blow" to "history-making example of Dunning-Kruger".
- nunez 2y agoThey do, and they are certified for this kind of communication. Is Signal even FedRAMP? I don't think it is.
- maronato 2y agoThe obvious follow up is what else do they illegally delete? If they’re doing it so blatantly to plan for attacks that will eventually be public, contain no conspiracies or illegal activity, and will be used to dunk on Biden, then what else are they automatically deleting? Plus, if China/Russia/Iran/NK weren’t targeting US officials phones and Signal, now they certainly are.
- anigbrowl 2y agoSO much for 'the most transparent administration in history', not that I bought into that claim in the first place. Seems like a violation of multiple public record-keeping laws.
- hypeatei 2y agoYou can already guess what consequences they're going to face: none.
- anigbrowl 2y agoNevertheless, the Democrats should move to impeach. The fact that they probably won't be able to get a vote taken (never mind win one) is beside the point.
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- nine_k 2y agoWhy only Democrats? Any patriots, which, I suppose, should be somehow represented among Republicans, too.
- diputsmonro 2y agoDuh, but we're obviously past the point of Republicans acting in good faith.
- nine_k 2y agoSome people put their conscience above their party affiliation. There's a ton of Republicans unhappy with, and even infuriated by Trump. Not many of them in Congress though.
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- JohnTHaller 2y agoIt's the whole point of using Signal and Starlink WiFi.