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This is an insane story demonstrating extraordinary incompetence, not to mention revealing some rather comical beliefs about American exceptionalism. It's on t

This is an insane story demonstrating extraordinary incompetence, not to mention revealing some rather comical beliefs about American exceptionalism. It's on the bottom of the third page, pushed down by flags. During any other administration, such a disastrously, criminally incompetent use of technology would have been top of the front page for days, but this administration is so cosmically incompetent that pointing it out is "partisan" now. Everyone is just tired of people commenting on the fact that this criminal bunch of Fox News host miscreants clearly have zero idea what they're doing. Also...but her emails! Who do you think will sponsor the Egg roll? They just need to move the Tesla infomercial out of the way, and maybe Trump can feature some of his garbage shitcoin crypto. Jesus Christ. What a fallen idiocracy.

UncleMeat 2y ago
Not just days - months. We saw A1 headlines for months about Clinton's emails. Often daily.
- bediger4000 2y ago
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  - llm_nerd 2y ago
    It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. If it was, Trump's hubris, criminality, ignorance, senility, self-dealing grift and myopia would yield an unending series of "WTF?" type headlines. Instead they sane wash it. The guy is sending plane loads of who-knows-who to a country that they have no association with, based upon zero charges or due process, where they are imprisoned into basically slavery. This is so outrageously beyond the pale illegal, both in US and international law, that it is just mind-blowing, but it's just another day. Good god. Despotic, banana-republic autocrat behaviour is now just...accepted. I saw a complaint by a right wing figure noting the increased number of injunctions Trump has received versus prior presidents. Instead of rationally thinking "gosh...maybe he shouldn't contravene the constitution and/or break laws so frequently", they actually think it's unfair and needs to be balanced. It's a shocking collapse of norms or reason. It is incredibly dark times.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      > It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. It’s not that weird when you consider where they get that opinion.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Who cares? To a first approximation everybody who reads the NYT (really: any newspaper) opposes Trump. People obsess about NYT coverage decisions, but the NYT has approximately zero political influence in 2025. If education and engagement depolarize, that could change, but it hasn't yet.
    - UncleMeat 2y ago
      The NYT amplifying a story in a ridiculous manner can convince democrats to stay home because "ugh, they are all crooks."
      - tptacek 2y ago
        That's not what happened in the last election; in fact, the Democrats did marginally better with engaged voters. Anyways, I'm just saying, there's not much point to doing kremlinology about what the NYT is reporting.
        UncleMeat 2y ago
        The "but her emails" jokes in this context are all about the 2016 election.
        egberts1 2y ago
        Democrats provided a negative 6,265,888 votes for better engagement in Election 2024 than in 2020. But Democrat engagement was somehow negative marginally higher, at huge expense by independent voters. https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-swings/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Voter%20demographics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_president...
        tptacek 2y ago
        "Democrats" are not a coherent, monolithic entity. But we have data on which cohorts of that coalition did and didn't turn out.
otterley 2y ago
The top story on Fox News right now is "Trump allies move to prevent 'activist judges' from overstepping presidential authority." This story isn't even on the front page.
- vwcx 2y ago
  To be fair, it broke as an exclusive to the Atlantic about 180 minutes ago. The NYT now has it "above the fold" on their front page. Unlike a story coming directly from a public source, it sometimes takes a bit longer to spin up re-reporting on another outlet's scoop like this.
  - otterley 2y ago
    Good point. It's now the top story on WSJ as well.
    - alistairSH 2y ago
      And FoxNews has the Hegseth “nuh uh, no we didn’t” statement above the fold and the actual news in small print. Le Sigh.
- dekhn 2y ago
  It was a couple hours later (on Fox).
bloopernova 2y ago
Use https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active as your starting point. It's not linked from the front page.
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  Thanks, and also thanks to moderators for offering it
notadoomer236 2y ago
They use signal. They added the wrong person to the chat. Oh well. There’s no real disaster here. No real operational details exposed. Just some politicking that surprises no one.
- ipython 2y ago
  Did you read TFA? Operational details were shared on the chat but the journalist, out of concern for exactly what you describe, redacted those details from his report.

UncleMeat 2y ago

Not just days - months. We saw A1 headlines for months about Clinton's emails. Often daily.

bediger4000 2y ago
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- llm_nerd 2y ago
  It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. If it was, Trump's hubris, criminality, ignorance, senility, self-dealing grift and myopia would yield an unending series of "WTF?" type headlines. Instead they sane wash it. The guy is sending plane loads of who-knows-who to a country that they have no association with, based upon zero charges or due process, where they are imprisoned into basically slavery. This is so outrageously beyond the pale illegal, both in US and international law, that it is just mind-blowing, but it's just another day. Good god. Despotic, banana-republic autocrat behaviour is now just...accepted. I saw a complaint by a right wing figure noting the increased number of injunctions Trump has received versus prior presidents. Instead of rationally thinking "gosh...maybe he shouldn't contravene the constitution and/or break laws so frequently", they actually think it's unfair and needs to be balanced. It's a shocking collapse of norms or reason. It is incredibly dark times.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. It’s not that weird when you consider where they get that opinion.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Who cares? To a first approximation everybody who reads the NYT (really: any newspaper) opposes Trump. People obsess about NYT coverage decisions, but the NYT has approximately zero political influence in 2025. If education and engagement depolarize, that could change, but it hasn't yet.
  - UncleMeat 2y ago
    The NYT amplifying a story in a ridiculous manner can convince democrats to stay home because "ugh, they are all crooks."
    - tptacek 2y ago
      That's not what happened in the last election; in fact, the Democrats did marginally better with engaged voters. Anyways, I'm just saying, there's not much point to doing kremlinology about what the NYT is reporting.
      - UncleMeat 2y ago
        The "but her emails" jokes in this context are all about the 2016 election.
      - egberts1 2y ago
        Democrats provided a negative 6,265,888 votes for better engagement in Election 2024 than in 2020. But Democrat engagement was somehow negative marginally higher, at huge expense by independent voters. https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-swings/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250114165808/https://projects.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Voter%20demographics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_president...
        tptacek 2y ago
        "Democrats" are not a coherent, monolithic entity. But we have data on which cohorts of that coalition did and didn't turn out.

otterley 2y ago

The top story on Fox News right now is "Trump allies move to prevent 'activist judges' from overstepping presidential authority." This story isn't even on the front page.

vwcx 2y ago
To be fair, it broke as an exclusive to the Atlantic about 180 minutes ago. The NYT now has it "above the fold" on their front page. Unlike a story coming directly from a public source, it sometimes takes a bit longer to spin up re-reporting on another outlet's scoop like this.
- otterley 2y ago
  Good point. It's now the top story on WSJ as well.
  - alistairSH 2y ago
    And FoxNews has the Hegseth “nuh uh, no we didn’t” statement above the fold and the actual news in small print. Le Sigh.
dekhn 2y ago
It was a couple hours later (on Fox).

bloopernova 2y ago

Use https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active as your starting point. It's not linked from the front page.

ttyprintk 2y ago
Thanks, and also thanks to moderators for offering it

notadoomer236 2y ago

They use signal. They added the wrong person to the chat. Oh well. There’s no real disaster here. No real operational details exposed. Just some politicking that surprises no one.

ipython 2y ago
Did you read TFA? Operational details were shared on the chat but the journalist, out of concern for exactly what you describe, redacted those details from his report.