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Protesters views on either "side" do not represent the majority views. I imagine most people who were interested in buying a Tesla, are not interested in being

Protesters views on either "side" do not represent the majority views. I imagine most people who were interested in buying a Tesla, are not interested in being the victims of vandalism, violence, or hate.

Trasmatta 2y ago
It's also possible that people who were interested in buying a Tesla are not interested in buying a car from a man who will sig heil twice in public. There are actually still a lot of people that find Nazis revolting.
- spacemadness 2y ago
  Not according to the oh so moderate and reasonable HN comments. Having an opinion about that to the point of painting signs or showing any sign of protest is an extreme view.
- RandomBacon 2y ago
  I think Nazism is terrible, nor do I think it was an attempt at a Nazi salute. Some people will call it a "dog whistle", but it definitely wasn't a Sieg Heil.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Looked like one to me.
    - scarecrowbob 2y ago
      If a large bit of the US had thought I'd one a sig heil at a large event, I would certainly clarify that it wasn't one instead of making fun of the folks who ere "confudsed". The lack of clarification is all the clarification I need. "Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" only goes so far for most of us. Not everyone, I guess, but really, hoss we're not idiots and can tell what it was.
      - NekkoDroid 2y ago
        > The lack of clarification is all the clarification I need. Even if he'd clarify it, his twitter posts/retweets are very much leaning in the nazi-esque direction. So any benefit of the doubt is already out of the window when not just looking at that event in a vacuum.
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        I'm not on TwitterX, nor do I follow clickbate stuff online. The nuances I'm seeing do not support the narrative that he is essentially Hitler reincarnated. I'm not saying I support what he's doing; he's definitely not taking the best approach to his stated goals. But I give people the benefit of doubt (on both "sides") until proven otherwise. Can you please link to ones you think support the Nazis or Nazi ideology? I did a quick search and all I'm getting are the recent stupid Nazi jokes in response to people's outrage about what Musk did, or the one where Musk was talking about how government workers did Hitler's bidding.
        scarecrowbob 2y ago
        You don't deserve a damn argument about this, so shut up.
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        I imagine that's what the Nazis told the Jewish people.
        6510 2y ago
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Elon_Musk_ges...
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        That's not a link to his "twitter posts/retweets" I saw the gif you linked to in your comment as I was writing my other comment and used that for the description in that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469851
  - Trasmatta 2y ago
    It was definitely a sig heil. And he did it twice. Clearly intentionally. Everyone who's saying it wasn't sound like they're gaslighting the country: we all know what we saw.
  - phatfish 2y ago
    He was just showing how tall something was, right guys?
  - consteval 2y ago
    If it wasn't that, then what was it? This is the golden question that, apparently, hundreds of millions of Americans are unable to answer.
  - RandomBacon 2y ago
    I guess you all have never seen an autistic person make unusual gestures. Do you have any pictures of actual Nazis making weird faces while saluting, or grabbing their chest before saluting, or raising their hand so it's not in a straight line with their extended arm, or with their body leaned back and head tilted? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sieg+heil&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sieg+heil&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=im... One of those does not look like the others. Have you ever been accused of something you didn't do? Did it ever make you want to lash out? Imagine half of the country that you think you're trying to help, calling you "Hitler" and you have practically unlimited resources and are practically untouchable, how would you react? How many people do you think would choose, "Oh, I guess I should stop because people are accusing me of things I didn't do and are making me out to be a monster, and if I stop people will automatically believe I'm not a monster." Or do they harden their resolve and double-down. Human nature seems to be the latter. Regardless of what Elon Musk thinks, what do you think are the potential outcomes of everything that is going on with Elon Musk? - Someone assassinates him, and Donald Trump isn't happy (what do you think he would do). - He leaves the political / government scene, and people still think he is a monster no matter what he does or where he goes. - He continues to see to it that he accomplishes what he believes.
    - twixfel 2y ago
      Yep still looks like a Hitler salute to me, to be honest. > I guess you all have never seen an autistic person make unusual gestures I'd never seen an autistic person do a Hitler salute before to be honest, until Elon Musk did one.
      - RandomBacon 2y ago
        > I'd never seen an autistic person do a Hitler salute before After seeing Elon Musk do that, I can also say I've never seen an austistic person do a Sieg Heil salute either. 2x "to be honest" If you have to specify that, should I assume you're not being honest otherwise?
kasey_junk 2y ago
I imagine, if the cultural signal is not the issue (which would be weird cars are perhaps the second most signaling purchase someone makes) it’s the resale value. All teslas have cratered in value a minuscule number of them have been vandalized.
- InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  > cars are perhaps the second most signaling purchase someone makes Exactly this. In addition to outside signaling, buying a Tesla is a decision people often made for moral reasons. They decided to buy an expensive, relatively poorly made car with a limited range (compared to an IC car) because they could mentally offset the disadvantages of the car by morally justifying the purchase. Today, though, this is a pretty difficult justification to make.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  > All teslas have cratered in value Source(s) ?
  - kasey_junk 2y ago
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/thinking-selling-your-tesla-values-dropping https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/thinking-selling-your-te... https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-depreciation-high/#:~:text=The%20data%20shows%20that%20used,in%20CarGurus'%20used%20vehicle%20index.&text=At%20the%20center%20of%20the,%25%20year%2Dover%2Dyear. https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-deprecia...
- reustle 2y ago
  Not just Teslas, most EVs

Trasmatta 2y ago

It's also possible that people who were interested in buying a Tesla are not interested in buying a car from a man who will sig heil twice in public. There are actually still a lot of people that find Nazis revolting.

spacemadness 2y ago
Not according to the oh so moderate and reasonable HN comments. Having an opinion about that to the point of painting signs or showing any sign of protest is an extreme view.
RandomBacon 2y ago
I think Nazism is terrible, nor do I think it was an attempt at a Nazi salute. Some people will call it a "dog whistle", but it definitely wasn't a Sieg Heil.
- twixfel 2y ago
  Looked like one to me.
  - scarecrowbob 2y ago
    If a large bit of the US had thought I'd one a sig heil at a large event, I would certainly clarify that it wasn't one instead of making fun of the folks who ere "confudsed". The lack of clarification is all the clarification I need. "Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" only goes so far for most of us. Not everyone, I guess, but really, hoss we're not idiots and can tell what it was.
    - NekkoDroid 2y ago
      > The lack of clarification is all the clarification I need. Even if he'd clarify it, his twitter posts/retweets are very much leaning in the nazi-esque direction. So any benefit of the doubt is already out of the window when not just looking at that event in a vacuum.
      - RandomBacon 2y ago
        I'm not on TwitterX, nor do I follow clickbate stuff online. The nuances I'm seeing do not support the narrative that he is essentially Hitler reincarnated. I'm not saying I support what he's doing; he's definitely not taking the best approach to his stated goals. But I give people the benefit of doubt (on both "sides") until proven otherwise. Can you please link to ones you think support the Nazis or Nazi ideology? I did a quick search and all I'm getting are the recent stupid Nazi jokes in response to people's outrage about what Musk did, or the one where Musk was talking about how government workers did Hitler's bidding.
        scarecrowbob 2y ago
        You don't deserve a damn argument about this, so shut up.
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        I imagine that's what the Nazis told the Jewish people.
        6510 2y ago
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Elon_Musk_gesture.gif https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Elon_Musk_ges...
        RandomBacon 2y ago
        That's not a link to his "twitter posts/retweets" I saw the gif you linked to in your comment as I was writing my other comment and used that for the description in that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43469851
- Trasmatta 2y ago
  It was definitely a sig heil. And he did it twice. Clearly intentionally. Everyone who's saying it wasn't sound like they're gaslighting the country: we all know what we saw.
- phatfish 2y ago
  He was just showing how tall something was, right guys?
- consteval 2y ago
  If it wasn't that, then what was it? This is the golden question that, apparently, hundreds of millions of Americans are unable to answer.
- RandomBacon 2y ago
  I guess you all have never seen an autistic person make unusual gestures. Do you have any pictures of actual Nazis making weird faces while saluting, or grabbing their chest before saluting, or raising their hand so it's not in a straight line with their extended arm, or with their body leaned back and head tilted? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sieg+heil&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sieg+heil&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=im... One of those does not look like the others. Have you ever been accused of something you didn't do? Did it ever make you want to lash out? Imagine half of the country that you think you're trying to help, calling you "Hitler" and you have practically unlimited resources and are practically untouchable, how would you react? How many people do you think would choose, "Oh, I guess I should stop because people are accusing me of things I didn't do and are making me out to be a monster, and if I stop people will automatically believe I'm not a monster." Or do they harden their resolve and double-down. Human nature seems to be the latter. Regardless of what Elon Musk thinks, what do you think are the potential outcomes of everything that is going on with Elon Musk? - Someone assassinates him, and Donald Trump isn't happy (what do you think he would do). - He leaves the political / government scene, and people still think he is a monster no matter what he does or where he goes. - He continues to see to it that he accomplishes what he believes.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Yep still looks like a Hitler salute to me, to be honest. > I guess you all have never seen an autistic person make unusual gestures I'd never seen an autistic person do a Hitler salute before to be honest, until Elon Musk did one.
    - RandomBacon 2y ago
      > I'd never seen an autistic person do a Hitler salute before After seeing Elon Musk do that, I can also say I've never seen an austistic person do a Sieg Heil salute either. 2x "to be honest" If you have to specify that, should I assume you're not being honest otherwise?

kasey_junk 2y ago

I imagine, if the cultural signal is not the issue (which would be weird cars are perhaps the second most signaling purchase someone makes) it’s the resale value. All teslas have cratered in value a minuscule number of them have been vandalized.

InsideOutSanta 2y ago
> cars are perhaps the second most signaling purchase someone makes Exactly this. In addition to outside signaling, buying a Tesla is a decision people often made for moral reasons. They decided to buy an expensive, relatively poorly made car with a limited range (compared to an IC car) because they could mentally offset the disadvantages of the car by morally justifying the purchase. Today, though, this is a pretty difficult justification to make.
ivewonyoung 2y ago
> All teslas have cratered in value Source(s) ?
- kasey_junk 2y ago
  https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/thinking-selling-your-tesla-values-dropping https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/thinking-selling-your-te... https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-depreciation-high/#:~:text=The%20data%20shows%20that%20used,in%20CarGurus'%20used%20vehicle%20index.&text=At%20the%20center%20of%20the,%25%20year%2Dover%2Dyear. https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-deprecia...
reustle 2y ago
Not just Teslas, most EVs