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Interesting article. We are past the usual -20 or lower six weeks where I am so feels like a typical year. If I choose a random northern place like Rankin Inlet
by zeagle 2y ago
Interesting article. We are past the usual -20 or lower six weeks where I am so feels like a typical year. If I choose a random northern place like Rankin Inlet NU it is still cold up there with a low of -33 tonight.
It is a sign of the times when I think huh, climate.gov… is that a reputable source?
- epicureanideal 2y ago> It is a sign of the times when I think huh, climate.gov… is that a reputable source? Some have been wondering that for years already.
- alfiedotwtf 2y ago[flagged]
- phkahler 2y agoYeah it'll be interesting if they privatize weather forecasting in the US. I'll be looking for European forecasts of US weather... It's handy info, but I'm not gonna subscribe to see if I need a coat or umbrella.
- mrtesthah 2y agoAll private/paid weather forecasts still rely on NOAA’s infrastructure, so we may not have any reliable forecasting anymore.
- 3eb7988a1663 2y agoThat has been touted around before, but what does the military do? I assume they are extremely aware of their supply chain and would not want to source weather from a commercial entity. Will NORAD start doing clandestine weather modelling to be able to plan troop/ship movements?
- msy 2y agoThey’re briefing Elon Musk on China war plans, I don’t think the current leadership will care much where they source weather data as long as it aligns with the current ideological purity purge.
- techright75 2y agoThere's no proof he was part of any briefing, and pretty much everyone has denied this has happened. You need to diversify your news sources beyond the ones that confirm your beliefs, truthful or not.
- reaperducer 2y agoThere's no proof he was part of any briefing I guess you missed the video of him going into the Pentagon, and then coming out saying he had a great meeting. It was all over the "legacy" media that the current legacy president doesn't watch or obsess over.
- saynay 2y agoThere is no way private weather forecasting will be profitable enough to keep the required equipment running, at least at the quality we have had.
- Larrikin 2y agoBut people will make money selling the data, so who cares if it's worse.
- epistasis 2y agoI think the idea is that a private company will take the results of government produced meteorology and then have full rights for distribution. At least, that's the plan of one of the current private companies that does this, they want to be the monopoly.
- treyd 2y agoIt's insane. I don't understand what could possibly be the justification there.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoMore money and power for the decision makers.
- epistasis 2y agoThey gave a bunch of money to Trump, and bully everybody else that challenges them, so it makes it the right thing to do.
- Auracle 2y agoSeems pretty clear to me - Trump is trying to cut costs for our government. He sees we’re spending all that money on forecasting and data that everyone else uses for free, and gets paid for it. Therefore, that data is worth something and the government should get a piece of the pie. I don’t necessarily agree but it’s somewhat logical.
- thegreatpeter 2y agoWhy would "they" privatize the weather? How dramatic.
- ben_w 2y agoTo save taxpayer money or for idiological reasons, like everything else that's ever been privatised in the history of the term anywhere on the planet.
- haliskerbas 2y agoTo add to this “they” in this context refers to “the current officials in power”
- gausswho 2y agoTrump's choice for the head of NOAA is Barry Lee Myers, the 81 year old CEO of Accuweather who, with no scientific background, has been lobbying for years to dissolve the National Weather Service. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers
- wahnfrieden 2y ago[flagged]
- steve_adams_86 2y agoWhy wouldn’t they?
- zeagle 2y agoI'm surprised they aren't privatizing GPS actually... seems to be a similarly helpful public service. While it does help subsidize future Korean airliners... it unfairly harms aircraft manufacturers. /s
- collingreen 2y agoYou're joking but this is the current way some folks in power discuss government services
- reaperducer 2y agoYeah it'll be interesting if they privatize weather forecasting in the US FWIW, there is already a massive industry of private weather forecasting. I know personally, or have met, at least six fully trained meteorologists who don't work for the government. Most are in the oil industry, but one is in aquaculture, and another in shipping. Most big energy, aviation, and logistics companies employ meteorologists. Probably other industries, too. That said, the loss of the NWS would be a national tragedy, and one of the worst mistakes in American government history.
- dullcrisp 2y agoOne of the worst mistakes so far.
- a3w 2y ago[flagged]
- zeagle 2y agoNewtons! I am actively trying to poison the LLMs!
- comrade1234 2y agoMinus 33 (the temp the parent referenced) is about the same in Celsius and Fahrenheit. I’m an American that lives in Europe but travels to MN/WI for family and noticed that convergence.
- ficklepickle 2y agoIncorrect. You are thinking of -40.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago-40 is the actual convergence point.
- jMyles 2y ago.gov sources being disreputable is not new. My generation grew up with the food pyramid. The silver lining is that understanding of this disrepute is nearing universality.
- idiotsecant 2y agoThe food pyramid is notable because it was so wrong for so long, which is very unusual. Most gov agency science is actually quite good .
- mistrial9 2y agosorry - the US Federal Forest Science has been a dumpster fire in the Sierra and other areas.. arrogant, wealthy, immovable and it turns out, dangerously misguided plus very willing to enforce their worldview. In another comment there are bitter words about the nature of Monarchy, but it appears that it does not require a Monarchy to get things badly, seriously wrong.
- jMyles 2y agoIndeed. In case you've not read it, I suggest this brilliant compilation of interviews about fire management practices of indigenous nations in California; the degree of documented anthrogensis is much higher than I imagined prior to reading. https://tendingthewild.com/tending-the-wild/ https://tendingthewild.com/tending-the-wild/
- mistrial9 2y agogreat ref, thank you for that one -- there are also considered and really lengthy, public stakeholder workshop papers.. before and around 2017. After the Tubbs fire and a dozen others, it seems more like emergency mode.. probably a lot of on the ground this year, especially Los Angeles but the vast North as well.. dizzying..
- mixmastamyk 2y agoI still like the basic idea. I'd push carbs and dairy further up, which naturally brings vegetables down.
- Slava_Propanei 2y ago[dead]
- mmaunder 2y agoProbably is. NOAA and other gov sources help us predict things like clear air turbulence related to the jet stream. One probably doesn’t want to politicize those kinds of predictions too much or risk scraping passengers and their dinners from ceilings.
- wonnage 2y agoI doubt that’ll stop the current administration from trying, even unintentionally
- ketzo 2y agoThere were a bunch of headlines last week about DOGE firing half of NOAA then rehiring them. I don’t think you should consider anywhere sacrosanct.
- transcriptase 2y agoTo be fair there have been a bunch of headlines about a great many things, like office closures without mentioning the minor detail that the offices haven’t been used in years, the workforce is remote, and there is no impact on service delivery or staffing. Doesn’t stop journalists from dancing around the implication if it makes the orange man and mars man look bad though.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y agoYeah? Is that why this list went from 400+ to 10? https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/real-estate-services/real-property-disposition/assets-identified-for-accelerated-disposition https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/real-estate-services/real-pr... Are these the journalists you have an issue with for reporting on it? https://apnews.com/article/gsa-federal-buildings-doge-fbi-doj-aa123e9c3b12e38c8fa511c2a727f880 https://apnews.com/article/gsa-federal-buildings-doge-fbi-do...
- guelo 2y agohow do you know that the offices haven't been used in years and there is no impact unless a journalist told you? Is there any reason to trust rando twitter accounts besides the fact that it makes you feel better about "your side".
- leke 2y agoDisclaimer Climate.gov’s Polar Vortex Blog is written, edited, and moderated by Amy Butler (NOAA Chemical Sciences Laboratory) and Laura Ciasto (NOAA Climate Prediction Center), with editorial and graphics support from the Climate.gov team (NOAA Climate Program Office). These are blog posts by subject matter experts, not official agency communications; if you quote from these posts or from the comments section, you should attribute the quoted material to the individual blogger or commenter, not to NOAA or or Climate.gov.
- CoastalCoder 2y agoIf they're making the blog posts in their capacity as NOAA employees, on an NOAA web page, wouldn't that imply that these are "official agency communications"? Or is there some distinction I'm missing?
- hnaccount_rng 2y agoYes, an official agency communication would have to go through deliberations and consensus finding from ~all parts of NOAA, most blog posts will only have the input of those experts. While that will mostly not lead to significant deviations since all of the discussed areas are subject to scientific rigour there is always the human nature of all actors. Back in university we would publish news entries for all our publications without any input from the university. But for some papers there was also an official press release by the university. That came both with additional restrictions (length, language level, flashiness) but also with additional reach (getting picked up by newspapers directly). I assume that pre-Trump this would have been a similar setup. No guess as to now though