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> The "war" on drugs is what brings all of the violence and crime associated with drugs, not the drugs themselves. Some of it, certainly, but I doubt it's all.

> The "war" on drugs is what brings all of the violence and crime associated with drugs, not the drugs themselves. Some of it, certainly, but I doubt it's all. Violence committed by druggies trying to scrape up enough for their next hit would still happen.

hollerith 2y ago
Also, violence caused by a sociopath's giving a desperate addict $50 in exchange for the addict's shooting one of the sociopath's enemies would still happen. Also, addicts stealing from their moms would still happen, which is regrettable even if it is not violence.
- Viliam1234 2y ago
  The syringes thrown away on lawns and playgrounds probably also won't disappear just because the drugs get cheaper.
bee_rider 2y ago
I wonder how much crime is done by people trying to get another hit of alcohol or cigarettes. They are pretty addictive, but I haven’t heard of this becoming a problem with legal drugs for whatever reason.
lstodd 2y ago
Do you not see that you're contradicting yourself? If drugs were not prohibited, they would not cost so much as to cause "scraping up enough". How come I can buy 50 liters of isopropanol (99.(9) whatever, dehydrated, better than medical eth) for like 20 euro, but no luck for ethanol. Even while ethanol is that much cheaper to produce?
throwaway2037 2y ago
> Violence committed by druggies trying to scrape up enough for their next hit would still happen. Portugal (mostly) decriminalised possession and use of all illegal drugs in 2001. (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal) This should be an ideal country for study. Do you know if violence from drug users declined after this change in Portugal?
marcosdumay 2y ago
How much violence do you see from people trying to scrape up enough to get the next drink or cigarette? It's almost none, because those things don't cost enough to ruin a person's life. Even for most of the serious addicts.

hollerith 2y ago

Also, violence caused by a sociopath's giving a desperate addict $50 in exchange for the addict's shooting one of the sociopath's enemies would still happen. Also, addicts stealing from their moms would still happen, which is regrettable even if it is not violence.

Viliam1234 2y ago
The syringes thrown away on lawns and playgrounds probably also won't disappear just because the drugs get cheaper.

bee_rider 2y ago

I wonder how much crime is done by people trying to get another hit of alcohol or cigarettes. They are pretty addictive, but I haven’t heard of this becoming a problem with legal drugs for whatever reason.

lstodd 2y ago

Do you not see that you're contradicting yourself? If drugs were not prohibited, they would not cost so much as to cause "scraping up enough". How come I can buy 50 liters of isopropanol (99.(9) whatever, dehydrated, better than medical eth) for like 20 euro, but no luck for ethanol. Even while ethanol is that much cheaper to produce?

throwaway2037 2y ago

> Violence committed by druggies trying to scrape up enough for their next hit would still happen. Portugal (mostly) decriminalised possession and use of all illegal drugs in 2001. (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal) This should be an ideal country for study. Do you know if violence from drug users declined after this change in Portugal?

marcosdumay 2y ago

How much violence do you see from people trying to scrape up enough to get the next drink or cigarette? It's almost none, because those things don't cost enough to ruin a person's life. Even for most of the serious addicts.