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> French want less criminals and immigrants in the street. Whatever it takes. What about using the probability that a specific race or religion will commit cri

by Braxton1980 2y ago

> French want less criminals and immigrants in the street. Whatever it takes. What about using the probability that a specific race or religion will commit crimes then target those people with aggressive tactics. As for the public they could make those people feel unwelcomed through constant harassment in the hopes they leave the country. Thus reducing the crime rate by any means. ---- I checked the murder rate and it's been on a downward trajectory for the last 30 years https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/fra/france/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/fra/fra... I haven't check other stats but what if your views on crime are being manipulated by people who have agenda that normally wouldn't be possible if the true reason was revealed?

outside2344 2y ago
In France, like a lot of other countries, they are blaming everything on the immigrants. Crime? Immigrants are doing it. Retirement age? Immigrants are spending the money. These things are not backed up by data, but just like the US, or Nazi Germany, nobody cares, simply easier to choose an easy "solution" and blame immigrants.
- ZeroTalent 2y ago
  Immigrants commit a bit less crimes than the locals in France.
  - _ache_ 2y ago
    Yes, but inmate population is mostly immigrant descendants (for various reasons, poverty and been unable to work are the main ones).
    - rixed 2y ago
      The morally lazy racist explanation is helped by the famous logical fallacy that if most criminals are of foreign origin, it must be because most foreigners are criminals.
- aucisson_masque 2y ago
  > In 2019, 82% of the people implicated by the police and the gendarmerie declared themselves French and 18% foreigners, while they represent 93% and 7% of the population in France respectively. https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=5763633 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=576363...
_ache_ 2y ago
> I haven't check other stats but what if your views on crime are being manipulated by people who have agenda that normally wouldn't be possible if the true reason was revealed? That is a known fact. Criminality rate drops but french people are feeling more and more insecure. There is a media oligarchy in France (by billionaires) that pushes anything but left ideas (the left want an exit tax and a wealth tax, the last one is the Zucman tax). The idea that immigrants are criminals is easy to spread as the prison population is clearly different than the mean population of France (for various reasons). They are pushing it so hard that the population is feeling insecure even if the criminality rate drops. Source about media oligarchy by billionaires: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/M%C3%A9dias_fran%C3%A7ais%2C_qui_poss%C3%A8de_quoi_%3F_Carte_de_la_concentration_des_m%C3%A9dias_-_Acrimed_%26_Le_Monde_Diplomatique.png/2268px-M%C3%A9dias_fran%C3%A7ais%2C_qui_poss%C3%A8de_quoi_%3F_Carte_de_la_concentration_des_m%C3%A9dias_-_Acrimed_%26_Le_Monde_Diplomatique.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/M%...
- eastbound 2y ago
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  - _ache_ 2y ago
    What is an occupant ? There used to be a increase of crime but it was because of what the law counts as a crime. And no, non-lethal crime didn't increase so it is not about medicine that is getting better. https://oscj2.cesdip.fr/agressions/ https://oscj2.cesdip.fr/agressions/
    - theshackleford 2y ago
      Its their clever little dog whistle.
      - eastbound 2y ago
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orwin 2y ago
> I haven't check other stats but what if your views on crime are being manipulated by people who have agenda that normally wouldn't be possible if the true reason was revealed? Actually, you're right about murders, but you're wrong overall i'd say. Organized crime is on the rise since 2004? Maybe a bit before. Politicians "reformed" the police, removed our "proximity police" which were basically social workers with physical and weapon training, who also were a great point of contact for future informants as it built a lot of trust in some cities (mostly western and northern France: it didn't work as well in the south and in Paris, but it worked truly great were i lived and their removal killed a lot of initiatives. My bet is that the failure in Marseille and Paris killed the initiative which worked great in small to medium cities). And then circa 2008 they added another police reform that basically pushed police towards targeting petty criminals. Petty criminals turned to organized crime "en masse", and nowaday you have basically 3 crime families who run most of the crime in France. They reached Paris around 2011-2014, divided it cleanly around 2017 (i've heard multiple people talking about a missile launcher sighted in the 93 around 2015-2016 when i lived there, in at least 2 different location) and now politicians act surprised.
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  Can you provide some stats?

outside2344 2y ago

In France, like a lot of other countries, they are blaming everything on the immigrants. Crime? Immigrants are doing it. Retirement age? Immigrants are spending the money. These things are not backed up by data, but just like the US, or Nazi Germany, nobody cares, simply easier to choose an easy "solution" and blame immigrants.

ZeroTalent 2y ago
Immigrants commit a bit less crimes than the locals in France.
- _ache_ 2y ago
  Yes, but inmate population is mostly immigrant descendants (for various reasons, poverty and been unable to work are the main ones).
  - rixed 2y ago
    The morally lazy racist explanation is helped by the famous logical fallacy that if most criminals are of foreign origin, it must be because most foreigners are criminals.
aucisson_masque 2y ago
> In 2019, 82% of the people implicated by the police and the gendarmerie declared themselves French and 18% foreigners, while they represent 93% and 7% of the population in France respectively. https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=5763633 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/5763585?sommaire=576363...

_ache_ 2y ago

> I haven't check other stats but what if your views on crime are being manipulated by people who have agenda that normally wouldn't be possible if the true reason was revealed? That is a known fact. Criminality rate drops but french people are feeling more and more insecure. There is a media oligarchy in France (by billionaires) that pushes anything but left ideas (the left want an exit tax and a wealth tax, the last one is the Zucman tax). The idea that immigrants are criminals is easy to spread as the prison population is clearly different than the mean population of France (for various reasons). They are pushing it so hard that the population is feeling insecure even if the criminality rate drops. Source about media oligarchy by billionaires: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/M%C3%A9dias_fran%C3%A7ais%2C_qui_poss%C3%A8de_quoi_%3F_Carte_de_la_concentration_des_m%C3%A9dias_-_Acrimed_%26_Le_Monde_Diplomatique.png/2268px-M%C3%A9dias_fran%C3%A7ais%2C_qui_poss%C3%A8de_quoi_%3F_Carte_de_la_concentration_des_m%C3%A9dias_-_Acrimed_%26_Le_Monde_Diplomatique.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/M%...

eastbound 2y ago
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- _ache_ 2y ago
  What is an occupant ? There used to be a increase of crime but it was because of what the law counts as a crime. And no, non-lethal crime didn't increase so it is not about medicine that is getting better. https://oscj2.cesdip.fr/agressions/ https://oscj2.cesdip.fr/agressions/
  - theshackleford 2y ago
    Its their clever little dog whistle.
    - eastbound 2y ago
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orwin 2y ago

> I haven't check other stats but what if your views on crime are being manipulated by people who have agenda that normally wouldn't be possible if the true reason was revealed? Actually, you're right about murders, but you're wrong overall i'd say. Organized crime is on the rise since 2004? Maybe a bit before. Politicians "reformed" the police, removed our "proximity police" which were basically social workers with physical and weapon training, who also were a great point of contact for future informants as it built a lot of trust in some cities (mostly western and northern France: it didn't work as well in the south and in Paris, but it worked truly great were i lived and their removal killed a lot of initiatives. My bet is that the failure in Marseille and Paris killed the initiative which worked great in small to medium cities). And then circa 2008 they added another police reform that basically pushed police towards targeting petty criminals. Petty criminals turned to organized crime "en masse", and nowaday you have basically 3 crime families who run most of the crime in France. They reached Paris around 2011-2014, divided it cleanly around 2017 (i've heard multiple people talking about a missile launcher sighted in the 93 around 2015-2016 when i lived there, in at least 2 different location) and now politicians act surprised.

Braxton1980 2y ago
Can you provide some stats?