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It also does the opposite: allows people who live in cheaper areas access to services not limited by the local area's average income. Your kid can go to a schoo

It also does the opposite: allows people who live in cheaper areas access to services not limited by the local area's average income. Your kid can go to a school further away or participate in a sports team or doctor or friend's house that isn't the local one.

trollbridge 2y ago
It also allows low income people who live in low income areas (and thus cheaper rents) to access jobs in high income places. If transit were the same speed or faster than carpooling, it wouldn’t be nearly as significant. In NYC it is not.
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
As a kid, I hated commuting 10+ miles to school everyday, and driving everywhere to get or do anything. Even when I got a car, it was a huge drag. Once I got to college, I was so happy to move to a tiny basement party near university so I could live a better life. When I lived in Beijing, everything was accessible by subway, but we also had a mall a couple of blocks away that had a grocery store in the basement. I chose this lifestyle for my kid, we walk to school in the morning, he's in 2nd grade of a K-8 but the highschool he will go to is about the same distance. He is now the opposite of me, wanting to drive places instead of walk...ugh.
danny_codes 2y ago
So there’s these things called “trains” and “subways” and “buses” that let you get around without a car. Car dependency reduces the efficacy of public transit, so it actually does the opposite of what you say. If we didn’t build around cars you’d still have farther flung residential development. It’s just be close to a train stop so you could easily get around. There’s really no benefit to car dependency outside rural areas. Entirely a mistake with no benefits at all, because the alternative design that would have arisen without car dependency is better in every way.
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rsoto2 2y ago
Here you go, champ, this is about to rock your world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus
rsoto2 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train
Symbiote 2y ago
Children can't drive, so only those with parents who have time to chauffeur them can take part in that sports team, doctor or friend's house. Children can take buses and trains by themselves. Children living in towns and cities with public transport can access far more services.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  Children are 4 years old sometimes. Of course in a dense metro public transport is (mostly) paying for itself, and older children can use it, ish, but there are large age ranges where children are too young to get the bus or underground rail system. And yes, a lot of this is about a level of privilege. My wife doesn't have full time paid employment, so she has time to cycle to the kids' school, get them, walk them to a brilliant extra curricular over the other side of the city and back after, walk them back after, then cycle them all to our house. And she takes another kid with her whose parents both work full time, and that's amazing. It's just not normal in the two-parents-working world we live in. Living near good services is a privilege. Having the time to take children around, regardless of mode of transportation, is a privilege. Having a work from home job where you aren't in a van to a nearby town to do some construction work, but can just relax all day and have a cycle ride be the hardest thing you do is a privilege. Privileged instincts about what's possible for those with that privilege are not generally applicable.

trollbridge 2y ago

It also allows low income people who live in low income areas (and thus cheaper rents) to access jobs in high income places. If transit were the same speed or faster than carpooling, it wouldn’t be nearly as significant. In NYC it is not.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

As a kid, I hated commuting 10+ miles to school everyday, and driving everywhere to get or do anything. Even when I got a car, it was a huge drag. Once I got to college, I was so happy to move to a tiny basement party near university so I could live a better life. When I lived in Beijing, everything was accessible by subway, but we also had a mall a couple of blocks away that had a grocery store in the basement. I chose this lifestyle for my kid, we walk to school in the morning, he's in 2nd grade of a K-8 but the highschool he will go to is about the same distance. He is now the opposite of me, wanting to drive places instead of walk...ugh.

danny_codes 2y ago

So there’s these things called “trains” and “subways” and “buses” that let you get around without a car. Car dependency reduces the efficacy of public transit, so it actually does the opposite of what you say. If we didn’t build around cars you’d still have farther flung residential development. It’s just be close to a train stop so you could easily get around. There’s really no benefit to car dependency outside rural areas. Entirely a mistake with no benefits at all, because the alternative design that would have arisen without car dependency is better in every way.

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rsoto2 2y ago

Here you go, champ, this is about to rock your world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus

rsoto2 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train

Symbiote 2y ago

Children can't drive, so only those with parents who have time to chauffeur them can take part in that sports team, doctor or friend's house. Children can take buses and trains by themselves. Children living in towns and cities with public transport can access far more services.

robertlagrant 2y ago
Children are 4 years old sometimes. Of course in a dense metro public transport is (mostly) paying for itself, and older children can use it, ish, but there are large age ranges where children are too young to get the bus or underground rail system. And yes, a lot of this is about a level of privilege. My wife doesn't have full time paid employment, so she has time to cycle to the kids' school, get them, walk them to a brilliant extra curricular over the other side of the city and back after, walk them back after, then cycle them all to our house. And she takes another kid with her whose parents both work full time, and that's amazing. It's just not normal in the two-parents-working world we live in. Living near good services is a privilege. Having the time to take children around, regardless of mode of transportation, is a privilege. Having a work from home job where you aren't in a van to a nearby town to do some construction work, but can just relax all day and have a cycle ride be the hardest thing you do is a privilege. Privileged instincts about what's possible for those with that privilege are not generally applicable.