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They need to stop shooting for the moon and just release some incremental improvements. Like you say, Siri is borderline completely useless. Just timers for me
by jonplackett 2y ago
They need to stop shooting for the moon and just release some incremental improvements.
Like you say, Siri is borderline completely useless. Just timers for me.
Even just the most basic LLM integration, without even giving that LLM any personal data would be a massive improvement. They even have this ChatGPT integration that Siri seems totally incapable of using in any meaningful way.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoI might be completely wrong, but by making “pro-privacy bets”, they shot themselves in the foot. Average customer ended up really not caring about the benefits that we try to promote, which hinders the development and features in some sense. Also, it’s still a pain for them to integrate AI in their second biggest market — China.
- Culonavirus 2y agoMaybe go all in on local on device low latency LLMs? They make their own hardware so they could probably do it and do it well with enough focus and investment.
- rusk 2y agoNo reason why most apps couldn’t be cloud hosted and devote all the significant local edge compute to such a digital companion.
- iainmerrick 2y agoThat seems like the opposite of what they were suggesting? Unless by “edge compute” you meant user’s devices, but I assume you intended the usual meaning of CDN edges.
- rusk 2y agoNo I meant user’s device. It’s the edge of the application space.
- nerdponx 2y agoThe M chips are pretty much perfect for this.
- Uehreka 2y ago8GB of RAM is not perfect for this. The M chips are only known for AI because unified memory allows you to get huge amounts of "VRAM", but if you're not putting absurd amounts of RAM on the phone (and they're not going to) then that advantage largely goes away. It's not like the NPU is some world-beating AI thing.
- xvector 2y agoI care about privacy but Siri is so immensely frustrating and terrible that at this point I'd rather just prefer a competent integration with an AI that actually works.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoI care about privacy too, that’s one of the reasons why I’m within Apple garden. But it definitely adds some hurdles when you want to do stuff like “literally take all of my data from every possible place and do stuff with it”.
- kccqzy 2y agoApple doesn't care about privacy in China. Even iCloud data on China was held by a Chinese custodian. The pain they experienced to integrate AI in China was because of the rule that Apple must choose a Chinese partner to integrate with. So they cannot choose OpenAI like they did in the rest of the world. They also couldn't choose Google Gemini or Anthropic obviously. They evaluated at least Alibaba's Qwen and DeepSeek and maybe some more.
- amelius 2y ago> Even just the most basic LLM integration, without even giving that LLM any personal data would be a massive improvement. I don't think Apple will ever use LLMs, given the offensive output they can generate sometimes. There is just no way to make them safe for all audiences.
- joshvm 2y agoThere is already a ChatGPT extension for Siri https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph00fd3c8c2/ios https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph00fd3c8c2/io...
- apwell23 2y agohow does current siri manage to be safe for all audiences.
- michelb 2y agoIt's not an LLM, just a bunch of templates.
- kube-system 2y agoApple Intelligence already uses LLMs today in iOS 18 and macOS Sequoia.
- nailer 2y agoYou're correct. I imagine the parent poster may be using an pre-Iphone 15 Pro so not be aware.