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Yes, the issue is one of rhetoric but it’s also the fact that border officers in most countries are afforded a ridiculous amount of power relative to their educ

Yes, the issue is one of rhetoric but it’s also the fact that border officers in most countries are afforded a ridiculous amount of power relative to their education/training/ability, and for a certain personality type in that job (I think we all know who I’m talking about) it becomes an interaction with a mini-Stalin. This isn’t a new problem, and I don’t know how to solve it other than replace border agents with computers. The US media’s love of hysterical rhetoric (on both sides) doesn’t help either, since constantly pushing these wild narratives in media emboldens these mini-dictator personality types to do really dumb things.

pjc50 2y ago
> hysterical rhetoric (on both sides) This is simplistic dismissal of how people who accurately predicted how the US would get worse under Trump were described as hysterical. It's not symmetrical and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.
- pembrook 2y ago
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- refurb 2y ago
  Saying “it would be worse under Trump” seems entirely subjective? I mean if you want common sense immigration it actually “got better”?
chneu 2y ago
The both sides argument is nonsense. We really need to stop playing into that because it really isn't true and it benefits one side much more than the other by bringing everyone down to their level.
- refurb 2y ago
  But it’s true. The US has been ignoring its immigration laws for the last few decades (not just immigration, really). All the while other countries routinely enforce their immigration laws. In Canada if you’re caught crossing the border illegally you will be deported. A number of people on student visa were recently told to “go home”. No nonsense enforcement, simply “follow the law”. The US elects someone who decides to do the same and the media treats it like the collapse of a democracy. In the US illegally? Deportation. Caught crossing the border illegally? Immediately turned around. Simple enforcement of the law. It does help if one keeps in mind that countries often use these travel warnings politically - Germany is upset the US isn’t interested in continuing the Ukraine war so does a little jab with the border warning.

pjc50 2y ago

> hysterical rhetoric (on both sides) This is simplistic dismissal of how people who accurately predicted how the US would get worse under Trump were described as hysterical. It's not symmetrical and anyone who thinks it is is delusional.

pembrook 2y ago
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refurb 2y ago
Saying “it would be worse under Trump” seems entirely subjective? I mean if you want common sense immigration it actually “got better”?

chneu 2y ago

The both sides argument is nonsense. We really need to stop playing into that because it really isn't true and it benefits one side much more than the other by bringing everyone down to their level.

refurb 2y ago
But it’s true. The US has been ignoring its immigration laws for the last few decades (not just immigration, really). All the while other countries routinely enforce their immigration laws. In Canada if you’re caught crossing the border illegally you will be deported. A number of people on student visa were recently told to “go home”. No nonsense enforcement, simply “follow the law”. The US elects someone who decides to do the same and the media treats it like the collapse of a democracy. In the US illegally? Deportation. Caught crossing the border illegally? Immediately turned around. Simple enforcement of the law. It does help if one keeps in mind that countries often use these travel warnings politically - Germany is upset the US isn’t interested in continuing the Ukraine war so does a little jab with the border warning.