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In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

by nialse 2y ago

hayst4ck 2y ago
Not to mention that many farms will be lacking migrant labor due to mass deportations. "Work will set you free from your addiction."
_2d30 2y ago
In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?
- froh 2y ago
  would you, in the context of fascist Germany or other totalitarian regimes with concentration camps, not understand the quoted text as cynical euphemism for such camps? this understanding of metaphors is not that it was used then. the understanding happens today a contemporary application of historical knowledge. and honestly, it's obvious.
  - vasco 2y ago
    It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-auschwitz/ https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-ausc...
    - froh 2y ago
      wow. TIL.
      - taneliv 2y ago
        Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.
        _2d30 2y ago
        Seems like a waste to update the curricula every few years to include, for example, some random lady who published a holocasut denail book in 2010 as referenced in that source. Doesn't seem very useful pedagogically!
        froh 2y ago
        this gets me the wrong way. see, I live in Nuremberg, Germany. I went to school here, "higher education". I've learned a lot about fascism, how it lured voters into electing them, how they grabbed and secured power, how they introduced concentration camps ("animal protection" legislation, prohibiting kosher butchering, introduced the camps as punishment for those insisting on kosher law. twisted) I've visited two concentration camp memorials, with their cynical writing at the gate. I've read the Auschwitz documents edited by 2001 Verlag. I've watched the Holocaust movie series of the 1970s (way to early) nonetheless, I was not aware of concentration camps being labeled as recreational leisure camps of some sort by the nazis. my point being: it was no lack of education to not know that additional aspect of systematic brain sick evil.
        _2d30 2y ago
        AFAICT, this wasn't actually how the Germans framed the concentration camps at all. The article you responded to is about how a woman described them in 2010. The closest thing I can find is here: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-the-public#propaganda-film-lens-on-theresienstadt-6 https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-... And this film was never even shown broadly as it was made near the end of the war. Also, it's technically for a ghetto and not a concentration camp. No AI I've asked and no links I've found suggest that concentration camps were broadly propagandized as anything similar to "wellness farms".
    - _2d30 2y ago
      Your source for this is an article that takes down a description from a book that was written in 2010. Not sure if you quite caught that on your thorough reading of it.
      - vasco 2y ago
        I just wanted to find some supporting information, what I know about this I know from visiting the camp myself so I didn't have an amazing source at hand.
  - _2d30 2y ago
    Oh so you mean it wasn’t used that way in a historical context? Got it.
    - froh 2y ago
      no I was explaining what understanding in historic context means. edit: ...also I didn't know it was even used this way, back then, see my TIL reply in some "cousin" comment.
      - _2d30 2y ago
        If by "back then", you mean 2010, then yeah. But if you still mean that the specific term "wellness farm" COULD have been used as a euphemism for concentration camps (regardless of whether or not it ever was), then what's the point? Like people also COULD have used the term "suburb" as euphemism for a concentration camp. Should we also be skeptical of anyone who says they want to build suburbs? What's even the point of of saying that a term COULD have been used as euphemism historically?
- mrtesthah 2y ago
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- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Current day
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Do you read ‘wellness farm’ and think it is something literal? If it was a well accepted term it’d be one thing, but when made up on the spot it very much sounds like “place we sen out undesirables” to me.
silisili 2y ago
If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.
- croes 2y ago
  They had camps to cure gayness. The problem isn’t the camps but the people who have the authority in them and how the treat people especially if the cure isn’t working. Not everything can be cured by organic food, fresh air and labor. BTW is the food the grow for the farms only or is selling it part of the plan? If the latter then it’s about cheap labor
  - silisili 2y ago
    Yes and we used to kill witches for being... different. That is to say, to any sane modern human, curing gayness is nothing like curing drug addiction. We have to do something. Because whatever we've been doing for the past two decades has amounted to nothing. And maybe that ends up being the answer, that there is nothing you can do. But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method.
    - croes 2y ago
      People are still killed for being different, they just aren’t called witches. >But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method. No matter the method is a bad take, that’s how we got gruesome people doing gruesome experiments on people who need treatment. And the camp thing is pretty old and they always end the same: abuse of power.
      - silisili 2y ago
        > No matter the method is a bad take Perhaps, but I have family going through this and it just makes you so mad. I'd pay to send him to a camp where he's beat with a bullwhip every day if I knew it could cure him. Perhaps it clouds my judgment a bit, but the alternative is just watching him die, which I'm not stoked about.

In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

by nialse 2y ago

In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

hayst4ck 2y ago

Not to mention that many farms will be lacking migrant labor due to mass deportations. "Work will set you free from your addiction."

_2d30 2y ago

In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?

froh 2y ago
would you, in the context of fascist Germany or other totalitarian regimes with concentration camps, not understand the quoted text as cynical euphemism for such camps? this understanding of metaphors is not that it was used then. the understanding happens today a contemporary application of historical knowledge. and honestly, it's obvious.
- vasco 2y ago
  It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-auschwitz/ https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-ausc...
  - froh 2y ago
    wow. TIL.
    - taneliv 2y ago
      Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.
      - _2d30 2y ago
        Seems like a waste to update the curricula every few years to include, for example, some random lady who published a holocasut denail book in 2010 as referenced in that source. Doesn't seem very useful pedagogically!
      - froh 2y ago
        this gets me the wrong way. see, I live in Nuremberg, Germany. I went to school here, "higher education". I've learned a lot about fascism, how it lured voters into electing them, how they grabbed and secured power, how they introduced concentration camps ("animal protection" legislation, prohibiting kosher butchering, introduced the camps as punishment for those insisting on kosher law. twisted) I've visited two concentration camp memorials, with their cynical writing at the gate. I've read the Auschwitz documents edited by 2001 Verlag. I've watched the Holocaust movie series of the 1970s (way to early) nonetheless, I was not aware of concentration camps being labeled as recreational leisure camps of some sort by the nazis. my point being: it was no lack of education to not know that additional aspect of systematic brain sick evil.
        _2d30 2y ago
        AFAICT, this wasn't actually how the Germans framed the concentration camps at all. The article you responded to is about how a woman described them in 2010. The closest thing I can find is here: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-the-public#propaganda-film-lens-on-theresienstadt-6 https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-... And this film was never even shown broadly as it was made near the end of the war. Also, it's technically for a ghetto and not a concentration camp. No AI I've asked and no links I've found suggest that concentration camps were broadly propagandized as anything similar to "wellness farms".
  - _2d30 2y ago
    Your source for this is an article that takes down a description from a book that was written in 2010. Not sure if you quite caught that on your thorough reading of it.
    - vasco 2y ago
      I just wanted to find some supporting information, what I know about this I know from visiting the camp myself so I didn't have an amazing source at hand.
- _2d30 2y ago
  Oh so you mean it wasn’t used that way in a historical context? Got it.
  - froh 2y ago
    no I was explaining what understanding in historic context means. edit: ...also I didn't know it was even used this way, back then, see my TIL reply in some "cousin" comment.
    - _2d30 2y ago
      If by "back then", you mean 2010, then yeah. But if you still mean that the specific term "wellness farm" COULD have been used as a euphemism for concentration camps (regardless of whether or not it ever was), then what's the point? Like people also COULD have used the term "suburb" as euphemism for a concentration camp. Should we also be skeptical of anyone who says they want to build suburbs? What's even the point of of saying that a term COULD have been used as euphemism historically?
mrtesthah 2y ago
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BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Current day
Aeolun 2y ago
Do you read ‘wellness farm’ and think it is something literal? If it was a well accepted term it’d be one thing, but when made up on the spot it very much sounds like “place we sen out undesirables” to me.

silisili 2y ago

If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

croes 2y ago
They had camps to cure gayness. The problem isn’t the camps but the people who have the authority in them and how the treat people especially if the cure isn’t working. Not everything can be cured by organic food, fresh air and labor. BTW is the food the grow for the farms only or is selling it part of the plan? If the latter then it’s about cheap labor
- silisili 2y ago
  Yes and we used to kill witches for being... different. That is to say, to any sane modern human, curing gayness is nothing like curing drug addiction. We have to do something. Because whatever we've been doing for the past two decades has amounted to nothing. And maybe that ends up being the answer, that there is nothing you can do. But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method.
  - croes 2y ago
    People are still killed for being different, they just aren’t called witches. >But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method. No matter the method is a bad take, that’s how we got gruesome people doing gruesome experiments on people who need treatment. And the camp thing is pretty old and they always end the same: abuse of power.
    - silisili 2y ago
      > No matter the method is a bad take Perhaps, but I have family going through this and it just makes you so mad. I'd pay to send him to a camp where he's beat with a bullwhip every day if I knew it could cure him. Perhaps it clouds my judgment a bit, but the alternative is just watching him die, which I'm not stoked about.