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Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send tho

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can go, if you’re convicted of a drug offense, or if you have a drug problem, you can go to one of these places for free." That what happens when you rely on Futurism as a source.

_2d30 2y ago
Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.
- someothherguyy 2y ago
  > a lot of it looks completely hysterical Some bad history with executive orders / The Alien Enemies Act and interning people in the US: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans Also, the current administration stated an intent to relocate (intern / reeducate?) the homeless, many of whom are citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues
- croes 2y ago
  How long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.
  - _2d30 2y ago
    I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I agree that there are a few stories of deportations that are legitimate causes for concern about hosting a conference with internationals in the US. But if you use people getting deported for overstaying their visas as a part of justifying that concern, then that is hysterical. It conflates issues that are effectively totally unrelated to one another. It would be like claiming it’s not safe to travel to Italy because the local justice systems will charge you with trumped up charges and quote both the Amanda Knox case as well as cases where Americans actually broke the law and got charged justly. Only the Amanda Knox case is actual justification for the claim!
    - Timwi 2y ago
      > The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying that inefficiencies due to incompetence are exempt from criticism. It should go without saying that detaining innocent people is BAD, regardless of whether it's malice or incompetence.
      - _2d30 2y ago
        I’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism and honestly I don’t know how that could possibly be an interpretation of that. I’m literally calling it incompetent which is clearly criticism. I’m saying that a 2wk detention due to glacial pace of our shitty bureaucracy isn’t really “fishy” about anything. And to be clear, they aren’t innocent in the referenced example. They were breaking the terms of their visa.
    - q3k 2y ago
      > The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. The purpose of a system is what it does.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  All of those things look like they’re about being detained for several weeks when trying to enter the US? Why wouldn’t they just refuse you entry instead?
  - jeltz 2y ago
    Yeah, why detain and treat people badly when you should just send them back home on the first available flight and then ban them from using the ESTA program? The pointless and expensive cruelty is the issue.
nialse 2y ago
In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.
- hayst4ck 2y ago
  Not to mention that many farms will be lacking migrant labor due to mass deportations. "Work will set you free from your addiction."
- _2d30 2y ago
  In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?
  - froh 2y ago
    would you, in the context of fascist Germany or other totalitarian regimes with concentration camps, not understand the quoted text as cynical euphemism for such camps? this understanding of metaphors is not that it was used then. the understanding happens today a contemporary application of historical knowledge. and honestly, it's obvious.
    - vasco 2y ago
      It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-auschwitz/ https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-ausc...
      - froh 2y ago
        wow. TIL.
        2y ago
graeme 2y ago
The full quote extends that to adderal. To be clear he said the wellness farms would be for those who want to go, and he's describing a massive undertaking that you'd see coming before it was implemented. But he was definitely talking about ADHD. This tweet has the short video of him actually including adderal. https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435 https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435
- michaelsshaw 2y ago
  Obviously I'm super into giving the trump admin the benefit of the doubt. It's like, the number one thing that I like doing.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Keep in mind he's also a guy who, contradicting all the available evidence, is saying incorrect things about the nature of adhd and dips heavily into moral issues when discussing medical problems. So any facilities related to his ideas are unlikely to provide actually care.
croes 2y ago
First you can go and leave as you like, then you can go but can’t leave, then you have to go. Given the things he said about vaccines and bird flu, I wouldn’t trust him an inch.
gherkinnn 2y ago
The full quote, as per Futurism: (emphasis mine) > I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities, I am not going to skim through 1.5h of deranged ramblings in a raspy voice to find him saying this though.
- fastball 2y ago
  So he said nothing about ADHD.
  - philjohn 2y ago
    "to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?
    - fastball 2y ago
      Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc. In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing adderall than someone who has ADHD, wouldn't you say? So the much more reasonable interpretation is that he is talking about those people, not people with ADHD.
      - Jolter 2y ago
        You could make the exact same argument about his mention of SSRIs. "Oh, he just means all the people without depression, who are abusing SSRIs." No, you're being intentionally disingenuous here. Obviously, he dislikes the fact that these drugs are being prescribed to patients, and he would prefer it if they were not. I'm sure he imagines that these "farms" would be a better treatment for depression than SSRIs are, and likewise for the other drugs and conditions.
BlackjackCF 2y ago
If RFK’s comments were made in isolation, I wouldn’t be so worried. However, you put it in context with the fact that this administration has shipped off people to an El Salvadoran prison without any due process… this becomes a lot more ominous.
jrflowers 2y ago
I like that you scrolled past the relevant paragraph here and then quoted a different thing that he said as proof that the paragraph that you ignored didn’t exist. I’m curious as to why you would bother including a real quote from the article? If your starting point for crafting a post is “Nobody will read the article I’m talking about” the sky is the limit, you could say he said anything you like.
rswail 2y ago
Considering he has been a lifelong addict to various drugs, with endless wealth to be sent to "wellness farms", I'd take his opinion on how to treat any disease with the same perspective as I would any other drug-addled, brain-holed, rich narcissist, that caused his wife to commit suicide. In other words, his opinion isn't worth the electronic bits needed to spread them.
samsm1737337 2y ago
Well, all I am going to take from this after reading some of the replies is that there is a slight change that the Brainwormguy is going to send the Rocketmann to a farm upstate. I can live with that.

_2d30 2y ago

Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

someothherguyy 2y ago
> a lot of it looks completely hysterical Some bad history with executive orders / The Alien Enemies Act and interning people in the US: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans Also, the current administration stated an intent to relocate (intern / reeducate?) the homeless, many of whom are citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues
croes 2y ago
How long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.
- _2d30 2y ago
  I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I agree that there are a few stories of deportations that are legitimate causes for concern about hosting a conference with internationals in the US. But if you use people getting deported for overstaying their visas as a part of justifying that concern, then that is hysterical. It conflates issues that are effectively totally unrelated to one another. It would be like claiming it’s not safe to travel to Italy because the local justice systems will charge you with trumped up charges and quote both the Amanda Knox case as well as cases where Americans actually broke the law and got charged justly. Only the Amanda Knox case is actual justification for the claim!
  - Timwi 2y ago
    > The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying that inefficiencies due to incompetence are exempt from criticism. It should go without saying that detaining innocent people is BAD, regardless of whether it's malice or incompetence.
    - _2d30 2y ago
      I’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism and honestly I don’t know how that could possibly be an interpretation of that. I’m literally calling it incompetent which is clearly criticism. I’m saying that a 2wk detention due to glacial pace of our shitty bureaucracy isn’t really “fishy” about anything. And to be clear, they aren’t innocent in the referenced example. They were breaking the terms of their visa.
  - q3k 2y ago
    > The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. The purpose of a system is what it does.
Aeolun 2y ago
All of those things look like they’re about being detained for several weeks when trying to enter the US? Why wouldn’t they just refuse you entry instead?
- jeltz 2y ago
  Yeah, why detain and treat people badly when you should just send them back home on the first available flight and then ban them from using the ESTA program? The pointless and expensive cruelty is the issue.

nialse 2y ago

In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

hayst4ck 2y ago
Not to mention that many farms will be lacking migrant labor due to mass deportations. "Work will set you free from your addiction."
_2d30 2y ago
In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?
- froh 2y ago
  would you, in the context of fascist Germany or other totalitarian regimes with concentration camps, not understand the quoted text as cynical euphemism for such camps? this understanding of metaphors is not that it was used then. the understanding happens today a contemporary application of historical knowledge. and honestly, it's obvious.
  - vasco 2y ago
    It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-auschwitz/ https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/lying-about-ausc...
    - froh 2y ago
      wow. TIL.
      - 2y ago

graeme 2y ago

The full quote extends that to adderal. To be clear he said the wellness farms would be for those who want to go, and he's describing a massive undertaking that you'd see coming before it was implemented. But he was definitely talking about ADHD. This tweet has the short video of him actually including adderal. https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435 https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435

michaelsshaw 2y ago
Obviously I'm super into giving the trump admin the benefit of the doubt. It's like, the number one thing that I like doing.
viraptor 2y ago
Keep in mind he's also a guy who, contradicting all the available evidence, is saying incorrect things about the nature of adhd and dips heavily into moral issues when discussing medical problems. So any facilities related to his ideas are unlikely to provide actually care.

croes 2y ago

First you can go and leave as you like, then you can go but can’t leave, then you have to go. Given the things he said about vaccines and bird flu, I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

gherkinnn 2y ago

The full quote, as per Futurism: (emphasis mine) > I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities, I am not going to skim through 1.5h of deranged ramblings in a raspy voice to find him saying this though.

fastball 2y ago
So he said nothing about ADHD.
- philjohn 2y ago
  "to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?
  - fastball 2y ago
    Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc. In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing adderall than someone who has ADHD, wouldn't you say? So the much more reasonable interpretation is that he is talking about those people, not people with ADHD.
    - Jolter 2y ago
      You could make the exact same argument about his mention of SSRIs. "Oh, he just means all the people without depression, who are abusing SSRIs." No, you're being intentionally disingenuous here. Obviously, he dislikes the fact that these drugs are being prescribed to patients, and he would prefer it if they were not. I'm sure he imagines that these "farms" would be a better treatment for depression than SSRIs are, and likewise for the other drugs and conditions.

BlackjackCF 2y ago

If RFK’s comments were made in isolation, I wouldn’t be so worried. However, you put it in context with the fact that this administration has shipped off people to an El Salvadoran prison without any due process… this becomes a lot more ominous.

jrflowers 2y ago

I like that you scrolled past the relevant paragraph here and then quoted a different thing that he said as proof that the paragraph that you ignored didn’t exist. I’m curious as to why you would bother including a real quote from the article? If your starting point for crafting a post is “Nobody will read the article I’m talking about” the sky is the limit, you could say he said anything you like.

rswail 2y ago

Considering he has been a lifelong addict to various drugs, with endless wealth to be sent to "wellness farms", I'd take his opinion on how to treat any disease with the same perspective as I would any other drug-addled, brain-holed, rich narcissist, that caused his wife to commit suicide. In other words, his opinion isn't worth the electronic bits needed to spread them.

samsm1737337 2y ago

Well, all I am going to take from this after reading some of the replies is that there is a slight change that the Brainwormguy is going to send the Rocketmann to a farm upstate. I can live with that.