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People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was

by oefrha 2y ago

People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time. That’s not new. In fact [2][3] is only noteworthy because it was an influential individual (in this circle) with a strong passport; people with weaker passports are routinely denied. Hell sometimes UN diplomats are denied.

mmooss 2y ago
> People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. Right, but you did not give examples of that happening previously.
- oefrha 2y ago
  Once again, when I say “not new” I’m talking about > The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time. TFA says > As an Internet community we strive to include everyone. Holding a meeting in the US is incompatible with our values. It’s been incompatible with their values for very long.
  - jeltz 2y ago
    You are arguing with someone who agrees with you but wanted to point out that your examples were bad and did not support your position that well.
    - oefrha 2y ago
      No, I’m arguing with someone who thinks I’m saying arbitrary arrests are not new (in fact I believe those aren’t new either, but I’m not arguing that and can’t be bothered to dig up sources), when I’m saying not being able to attend conferences in the U.S. is not new.
leftcenterright 2y ago
> “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added. I don't think this has been a basis for denying entry to people in past?

by oefrha 2y ago

mmooss 2y ago

> People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. Right, but you did not give examples of that happening previously.

oefrha 2y ago
Once again, when I say “not new” I’m talking about > The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to attend your conference, the U.S. hasn’t been a good location for a long time. TFA says > As an Internet community we strive to include everyone. Holding a meeting in the US is incompatible with our values. It’s been incompatible with their values for very long.
- jeltz 2y ago
  You are arguing with someone who agrees with you but wanted to point out that your examples were bad and did not support your position that well.
  - oefrha 2y ago
    No, I’m arguing with someone who thinks I’m saying arbitrary arrests are not new (in fact I believe those aren’t new either, but I’m not arguing that and can’t be bothered to dig up sources), when I’m saying not being able to attend conferences in the U.S. is not new.

leftcenterright 2y ago

> “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added. I don't think this has been a basis for denying entry to people in past?