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I see a lot of people getting confused, and the contention here is not that ChatGPT helped prepare for martial law in any way, but the fact that someone knew ab

by qrian 2y ago

I see a lot of people getting confused, and the contention here is not that ChatGPT helped prepare for martial law in any way, but the fact that someone knew about it happening before it happened. Not really related to ChatGPT IMO.

haebom 2y ago
He turned to ChatGPT to find out what to do if martial law was declared. Of course, this isn't ChatGPT's fault - it's just a black comedy. Lol
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lolinder 2y ago
Direct link to the Google translate for anyone else who can't read Korean [0]. This comment is correct, and the English headline is confusing, especially for English-speaking readers of HN who don't have context for who actually made the decision and why it would be controversial that the head of the guard knew about it ahead of time. > At 8:20 p.m. on December 3rd last year, when Chief Lee searched for the word, the State Council members had not yet arrived at the Presidential Office. The first State Council member to arrive, Minister of Justice Park Sung-jae, arrived at 8:30 p.m. It is being raised that Chief Lee may have been aware of the martial law plan before them. Martial law was declared at 10:30 p.m. that night. [0] https://www-hani-co-kr.translate.goog/arti/society/society_general/1187705.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true https://www-hani-co-kr.translate.goog/arti/society/society_g...
- Muromec 2y ago
  So why it is significant?
  - lolinder 2y ago
    No idea, we'd need someone from Korea to clarify what the expectations are here, the news story just assumes that you know why it would matter.
    - yongjik 2y ago
      It sounds like the person in question, the head of the presidential guard(?), had previously claimed that he only learned about Yoon's martial law declaration when it was proclaimed on TV. But if he was asking ChatGPT about it even before the cabinet meeting that decided on it, that means he was lying. Considering that the whole affair is considered treason now and we now know of memos talking about "collecting persons of interest, put them in a ship and explode it" (no, seriously) --- there's a very good chance that the inner cabal who planned the coup would get life sentences or worse. (I'm not sure how important was the person mentioned in the article - there are just too many bastards. It does seem like a random article to show up on HN.)
      - Muromec 2y ago
        So it's one prson who claimed to be on the outside of the plot was caught to be on the inside, right?
        yongjik 2y ago
        Yeah
daft_pink 2y ago
I thought the problem was that he didn’t use Claude. Clearly he doesn’t pass the vibe test.
croes 2y ago
The relation is the trust people set into things like ChatGPT. That’s the dangerous part.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  Is it much worse than trusting Wikipedia or another encyclopedia? Maybe it is easier to make ChatGPT give you bad advice while encyclopedias are quite dry?
  - boxed 2y ago
    Yes. It's much much worse.
  - fire_lake 2y ago
    Yes it’s much worse. With Wikipedia we all see the same output and can review it together.
  - lionkor 2y ago
    ChatGPT can just send you something that is completely wrong, and you have no way of knowing. That's why it's bad. On Wikipedia, for example, there is page history, page discussions, rules about sources, sources, and you can see who wrote what. Additionally, its likely someone knowledgeable has looked at the EXACT text you're reading, with all implied and not implied nuances. ChatGPT doesn't get nuances. It doesn't get subtle differences. It also gets large amounts of information wrong.
    - kolinko 2y ago
      Humans share the same faults.
      - inglor_cz 2y ago
        With some humans, you can at least rely on their humility and ability to say "I don't know". This is a positive trait in people and I would rely on such honest people much more than on anyone who has all the answers to everything. The machine seems to be unable to say or even detect that it does not know. At the same time, it communicates in flawless English (or whatever the current setting is), which is a trait we tend to associate with highly educated people from the real world. This short-circuits our bullshit detectors a bit.

by qrian 2y ago

haebom 2y ago

He turned to ChatGPT to find out what to do if martial law was declared. Of course, this isn't ChatGPT's fault - it's just a black comedy. Lol

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lolinder 2y ago

Direct link to the Google translate for anyone else who can't read Korean [0]. This comment is correct, and the English headline is confusing, especially for English-speaking readers of HN who don't have context for who actually made the decision and why it would be controversial that the head of the guard knew about it ahead of time. > At 8:20 p.m. on December 3rd last year, when Chief Lee searched for the word, the State Council members had not yet arrived at the Presidential Office. The first State Council member to arrive, Minister of Justice Park Sung-jae, arrived at 8:30 p.m. It is being raised that Chief Lee may have been aware of the martial law plan before them. Martial law was declared at 10:30 p.m. that night. [0] https://www-hani-co-kr.translate.goog/arti/society/society_general/1187705.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true https://www-hani-co-kr.translate.goog/arti/society/society_g...

Muromec 2y ago
So why it is significant?
- lolinder 2y ago
  No idea, we'd need someone from Korea to clarify what the expectations are here, the news story just assumes that you know why it would matter.
  - yongjik 2y ago
    It sounds like the person in question, the head of the presidential guard(?), had previously claimed that he only learned about Yoon's martial law declaration when it was proclaimed on TV. But if he was asking ChatGPT about it even before the cabinet meeting that decided on it, that means he was lying. Considering that the whole affair is considered treason now and we now know of memos talking about "collecting persons of interest, put them in a ship and explode it" (no, seriously) --- there's a very good chance that the inner cabal who planned the coup would get life sentences or worse. (I'm not sure how important was the person mentioned in the article - there are just too many bastards. It does seem like a random article to show up on HN.)
    - Muromec 2y ago
      So it's one prson who claimed to be on the outside of the plot was caught to be on the inside, right?
      - yongjik 2y ago
        Yeah

daft_pink 2y ago

I thought the problem was that he didn’t use Claude. Clearly he doesn’t pass the vibe test.

croes 2y ago

The relation is the trust people set into things like ChatGPT. That’s the dangerous part.

rightbyte 2y ago
Is it much worse than trusting Wikipedia or another encyclopedia? Maybe it is easier to make ChatGPT give you bad advice while encyclopedias are quite dry?
- boxed 2y ago
  Yes. It's much much worse.
- fire_lake 2y ago
  Yes it’s much worse. With Wikipedia we all see the same output and can review it together.
- lionkor 2y ago
  ChatGPT can just send you something that is completely wrong, and you have no way of knowing. That's why it's bad. On Wikipedia, for example, there is page history, page discussions, rules about sources, sources, and you can see who wrote what. Additionally, its likely someone knowledgeable has looked at the EXACT text you're reading, with all implied and not implied nuances. ChatGPT doesn't get nuances. It doesn't get subtle differences. It also gets large amounts of information wrong.
  - kolinko 2y ago
    Humans share the same faults.
    - inglor_cz 2y ago
      With some humans, you can at least rely on their humility and ability to say "I don't know". This is a positive trait in people and I would rely on such honest people much more than on anyone who has all the answers to everything. The machine seems to be unable to say or even detect that it does not know. At the same time, it communicates in flawless English (or whatever the current setting is), which is a trait we tend to associate with highly educated people from the real world. This short-circuits our bullshit detectors a bit.