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I can't imagine why anyone would read this and think it's a good idea to come to the US for any reason in this current climate. There's nothing here worth seein

I can't imagine why anyone would read this and think it's a good idea to come to the US for any reason in this current climate. There's nothing here worth seeing if it means you're going to be tortured for the opportunity.

762236 2y ago
This is how American immigration has always worked. I know others that experienced it under prior administrations. You have to ask why does the press only care about it now?
- diggan 2y ago
  > You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? Does it matter? As someone who at points wanted to visit the US for various reasons, I've been watching the results with horror for decades at this point, how people are treated, so obviously it's a no-go country right now for large parts of the world population, even for tourism. As you say, it's nothing new, and regardless of motives for publishing articles like this, I'm glad more people are finally realizing what could happen if your dumb enough to go there.
- peppers-ghost 2y ago
  I think the press cares about it because each aspect of it is getting worse. People coming into the country no longer have due process and can't see lawyers now.
  - 762236 2y ago
    This changed?
    - peppers-ghost 2y ago
      If you're a human and in the US physically you are guaranteed due process by the constitution. This is being trampled on by the powers that be.
      - pandaman 2y ago
        A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. The Due Process clause just states that the government has to follow the law when depriving you of freedom or property. If the law says that the process is to stuff you into a circus cannon and shoot you into the ocean then you are guaranteed that.
        peppers-ghost 2y ago
        >A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. Who told you this information? Immigration violations are still supposed to be heard by a court and fair representation is required.
        pandaman 2y ago
        >Who told you this information? Multiple immigration lawyers. The fact that there is no judicial review and the CBP officer at the port of entry is empowered to deport you immediately and ban you from entry is quite important and I am sure you'd been advised just as well if you had hired a semi-decent immigration lawyer too.
- jredwards 2y ago
  Because the scale, aggression, and flagrant violations of due process have all skyrocketed?
- philistine 2y ago
  The change is that the detention is now privately run and its incentives are to keep you detained for as long as possible. If you go to the US, it's not just the tourist traps trying to make a buck off you. It's also the border protection. > The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
- dfxm12 2y ago
  You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? First, why does the press coverage matter this much? If the press covered the stories of the people you know, would that make the heinous treatment they endured OK? Is detaining people for so long OK if each person affected gets a BBC article? Is leaving their family to guess why OK if the NYT publishes their photo? The current admin will do what they are doing regardless of the press coverage. Additionally, why do you think the press only cares about it now? The press talked about the Biden era "kids in cages". The press talked about the Trump era family separation policy. The press called Obama "deporter in chief". If you were honestly concerned about this, you wouldn't be going on about press coverage.
somenameforme 2y ago
Immigration enforcement isn't pretty anywhere, but also happens everywhere. For instance literally every single story of somebody being detained/deported from anywhere for working without a work permit is going to be a sad story because it's obviously somebody just trying to live a decent productive life, but ending up in jail and then deported (perhaps losing their belongings/pets/etc in the process) because they were born in a different country. Trying to frame this as 'America only' is extremely disingenuous by the media. There will be numerically significantly more events in America because America is a relatively large country and previous lapses in immigration enforcement have created dumb situations like having some 435,000 illegal aliens with criminal records! [1] But there's nothing particularly exceptional. Rather it's just the media fishing for the worst of the worst, and trying to frame it as representative, like usual. Dog bites man isn't news, man bites dog is. [1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-deported-fewer-people-biden-year-ago-border-crossings-plummeted-rcna195605 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-dep...
- peppers-ghost 2y ago
  Which other country is deporting people to concentration camps controlled by the military on foreign land?
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    You mean those few hundred gang bangers that were brutal enough that even their home countries wouldn't accept them back? It's a common issue in South America where criminal thugs from one country will cross into another, and then their host country will not take them back. I can't find reliable outcomes of what happens to these people in the media for some reason...
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - peppers-ghost 2y ago
      Some of the people that got dragged to Guantanamo didn't even have charges
abirch 2y ago
It’s even citizens leaving and returning internationally (though technically it can be domestically.) Most don’t understand that the 5th amendment doesn’t apply to the customs and border patrol; they can go through your phone and computer.
- jredwards 2y ago
  4th amendment? And why would it not apply if you're in the US?
  - Volundr 2y ago
    It should, but it's badly weakend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
  - ty6853 2y ago
    4th amendment ascribes that right to 'the people.' Non immigrant aliens are not considered people as evidence by their lack of right to bear arms, the other right ascribed to 'the people.'. Courts have held for decades now that they are aliens not people, just not the ones in flying saucers.

762236 2y ago

This is how American immigration has always worked. I know others that experienced it under prior administrations. You have to ask why does the press only care about it now?

diggan 2y ago
> You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? Does it matter? As someone who at points wanted to visit the US for various reasons, I've been watching the results with horror for decades at this point, how people are treated, so obviously it's a no-go country right now for large parts of the world population, even for tourism. As you say, it's nothing new, and regardless of motives for publishing articles like this, I'm glad more people are finally realizing what could happen if your dumb enough to go there.
peppers-ghost 2y ago
I think the press cares about it because each aspect of it is getting worse. People coming into the country no longer have due process and can't see lawyers now.
- 762236 2y ago
  This changed?
  - peppers-ghost 2y ago
    If you're a human and in the US physically you are guaranteed due process by the constitution. This is being trampled on by the powers that be.
    - pandaman 2y ago
      A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. The Due Process clause just states that the government has to follow the law when depriving you of freedom or property. If the law says that the process is to stuff you into a circus cannon and shoot you into the ocean then you are guaranteed that.
      - peppers-ghost 2y ago
        >A "due process" does not guarantee a lawyer. In case of immigration violations, for example, the due process consists of detention and subsequent deportation. Who told you this information? Immigration violations are still supposed to be heard by a court and fair representation is required.
        pandaman 2y ago
        >Who told you this information? Multiple immigration lawyers. The fact that there is no judicial review and the CBP officer at the port of entry is empowered to deport you immediately and ban you from entry is quite important and I am sure you'd been advised just as well if you had hired a semi-decent immigration lawyer too.
jredwards 2y ago
Because the scale, aggression, and flagrant violations of due process have all skyrocketed?
philistine 2y ago
The change is that the detention is now privately run and its incentives are to keep you detained for as long as possible. If you go to the US, it's not just the tourist traps trying to make a buck off you. It's also the border protection. > The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
dfxm12 2y ago
You have to ask why does the press only care about it now? First, why does the press coverage matter this much? If the press covered the stories of the people you know, would that make the heinous treatment they endured OK? Is detaining people for so long OK if each person affected gets a BBC article? Is leaving their family to guess why OK if the NYT publishes their photo? The current admin will do what they are doing regardless of the press coverage. Additionally, why do you think the press only cares about it now? The press talked about the Biden era "kids in cages". The press talked about the Trump era family separation policy. The press called Obama "deporter in chief". If you were honestly concerned about this, you wouldn't be going on about press coverage.

somenameforme 2y ago

Immigration enforcement isn't pretty anywhere, but also happens everywhere. For instance literally every single story of somebody being detained/deported from anywhere for working without a work permit is going to be a sad story because it's obviously somebody just trying to live a decent productive life, but ending up in jail and then deported (perhaps losing their belongings/pets/etc in the process) because they were born in a different country. Trying to frame this as 'America only' is extremely disingenuous by the media. There will be numerically significantly more events in America because America is a relatively large country and previous lapses in immigration enforcement have created dumb situations like having some 435,000 illegal aliens with criminal records! [1] But there's nothing particularly exceptional. Rather it's just the media fishing for the worst of the worst, and trying to frame it as representative, like usual. Dog bites man isn't news, man bites dog is. [1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-deported-fewer-people-biden-year-ago-border-crossings-plummeted-rcna195605 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-dep...

peppers-ghost 2y ago
Which other country is deporting people to concentration camps controlled by the military on foreign land?
- somenameforme 2y ago
  You mean those few hundred gang bangers that were brutal enough that even their home countries wouldn't accept them back? It's a common issue in South America where criminal thugs from one country will cross into another, and then their host country will not take them back. I can't find reliable outcomes of what happens to these people in the media for some reason...
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - peppers-ghost 2y ago
    Some of the people that got dragged to Guantanamo didn't even have charges

abirch 2y ago

It’s even citizens leaving and returning internationally (though technically it can be domestically.) Most don’t understand that the 5th amendment doesn’t apply to the customs and border patrol; they can go through your phone and computer.

jredwards 2y ago
4th amendment? And why would it not apply if you're in the US?
- Volundr 2y ago
  It should, but it's badly weakend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
- ty6853 2y ago
  4th amendment ascribes that right to 'the people.' Non immigrant aliens are not considered people as evidence by their lack of right to bear arms, the other right ascribed to 'the people.'. Courts have held for decades now that they are aliens not people, just not the ones in flying saucers.