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mise (https://mise.jdx.dev/ https://mise.jdx.dev/) and dagger (https://github.com/dagger/dagger https://github.com/dagger/dagger) seem like nice candidates too!

by oulipo 2y ago

mise (https://mise.jdx.dev/ https://mise.jdx.dev/) and dagger (https://github.com/dagger/dagger https://github.com/dagger/dagger) seem like nice candidates too! Mise can install all your deps, and run tasks

lou1306 2y ago
> * Don't bind yourself to some fancy new VC-financed thing that will solve CI once and for all but needs to get monetized eventually (see: earthly, dagger, etc.) Literally from comment at the root of this thread.
- triyambakam 2y ago
  But are mise and dagger VC funded? I don't see any pricing pages there.
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  - deng 2y ago
    Dagger is even YCombinator funded. https://www.boringbusinessnerd.com/startups/dagger https://www.boringbusinessnerd.com/startups/dagger Mise indeed isn't, but its scope is quite a bit smaller than Dagger.
    - internetter 2y ago
      > Mise indeed isn't, but its scope is quite a bit smaller than Dagger. A lot of us could learn... do one thing and do it well
      - arcanemachiner 2y ago
        Ironic, because mise is a glued-together combination of asdf, direnv, and Makefiles.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Docker has raised money, we all use it. Dagger is by the originators of Docker, I personally feel comfortable relying on them, they are making revenues too.
jimmcslim 2y ago
In addition to the other comments suggesting dagger is not the saviour due to being VC-funded, it seems like they have decided there's no money in CI, but AI... yes there's money there! And "something something agents". From dagger.io... "The open platform for agentic software. Build powerful, controllable agents on an open ecosystem. Deploy agentic applications with complete visibility and cross-language capabilities in a modular, extensible platform. Use Dagger to modernize your CI, customize AI workflows, build MCP servers, or create incredible agents."
- __float 2y ago
  I can't really fault them too much for hopping on the latest bandwagon, if their software is general enough at running workflows for it to fit. They do seem to have a nice "quickstart for CI" they haven't abandoned, yet: https://docs.dagger.io/ci/quickstart https://docs.dagger.io/ci/quickstart (As much as I personally like working with CI and build systems, it's true there's not a ton of money in it!)
- shykes 2y ago
  Hello! Dagger CEO here. Yes, we discovered that, in addition to running CI pipelines, Dagger can run AI agents. We learned this because our own users have told us. So now we are trying to capitalize on it, hence the ongoing changes to our website. We are trying to avoid the "something something agents" effect, but clearly, we still have work to do there :) It's hard to explain in marketing terms why a ephemeral execution engine, cross-language component system, deep observability and interactive CLI can be great at running both types of workloads... But we're going to keep trying! Internally we never thought of ourselves as a CI company, but as an operating system company operating in the CI market. Now we are expanding opportunistically to a new market: AI agents. We will continue to support both, because our platform can run both. If you are interested, I shared more details here: https://x.com/solomonstre/status/1895671390176747682 https://x.com/solomonstre/status/1895671390176747682
  - colemannerd 2y ago
    Please be careful. I'd love to adopt Dagger, but the UI in comparison to GHA, is just not a value add. I'd hate for y'all to go the AI route that Arc did... and lose all your users. There is A LOT to CICD, which can be profitable. I think there's still a lot more features needed before it's compelling and I would worry Agentic AI will lead you to a hyper-configurable, muddled message.

by oulipo 2y ago

lou1306 2y ago

> * Don't bind yourself to some fancy new VC-financed thing that will solve CI once and for all but needs to get monetized eventually (see: earthly, dagger, etc.) Literally from comment at the root of this thread.

triyambakam 2y ago
But are mise and dagger VC funded? I don't see any pricing pages there.
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- deng 2y ago
  Dagger is even YCombinator funded. https://www.boringbusinessnerd.com/startups/dagger https://www.boringbusinessnerd.com/startups/dagger Mise indeed isn't, but its scope is quite a bit smaller than Dagger.
  - internetter 2y ago
    > Mise indeed isn't, but its scope is quite a bit smaller than Dagger. A lot of us could learn... do one thing and do it well
    - arcanemachiner 2y ago
      Ironic, because mise is a glued-together combination of asdf, direnv, and Makefiles.
verdverm 2y ago
Docker has raised money, we all use it. Dagger is by the originators of Docker, I personally feel comfortable relying on them, they are making revenues too.

jimmcslim 2y ago

In addition to the other comments suggesting dagger is not the saviour due to being VC-funded, it seems like they have decided there's no money in CI, but AI... yes there's money there! And "something something agents". From dagger.io... "The open platform for agentic software. Build powerful, controllable agents on an open ecosystem. Deploy agentic applications with complete visibility and cross-language capabilities in a modular, extensible platform. Use Dagger to modernize your CI, customize AI workflows, build MCP servers, or create incredible agents."

__float 2y ago
I can't really fault them too much for hopping on the latest bandwagon, if their software is general enough at running workflows for it to fit. They do seem to have a nice "quickstart for CI" they haven't abandoned, yet: https://docs.dagger.io/ci/quickstart https://docs.dagger.io/ci/quickstart (As much as I personally like working with CI and build systems, it's true there's not a ton of money in it!)
shykes 2y ago
Hello! Dagger CEO here. Yes, we discovered that, in addition to running CI pipelines, Dagger can run AI agents. We learned this because our own users have told us. So now we are trying to capitalize on it, hence the ongoing changes to our website. We are trying to avoid the "something something agents" effect, but clearly, we still have work to do there :) It's hard to explain in marketing terms why a ephemeral execution engine, cross-language component system, deep observability and interactive CLI can be great at running both types of workloads... But we're going to keep trying! Internally we never thought of ourselves as a CI company, but as an operating system company operating in the CI market. Now we are expanding opportunistically to a new market: AI agents. We will continue to support both, because our platform can run both. If you are interested, I shared more details here: https://x.com/solomonstre/status/1895671390176747682 https://x.com/solomonstre/status/1895671390176747682
- colemannerd 2y ago
  Please be careful. I'd love to adopt Dagger, but the UI in comparison to GHA, is just not a value add. I'd hate for y'all to go the AI route that Arc did... and lose all your users. There is A LOT to CICD, which can be profitable. I think there's still a lot more features needed before it's compelling and I would worry Agentic AI will lead you to a hyper-configurable, muddled message.