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This highlights the challenge of smaller proprietary SaaS offerings - they can shut down abruptly leaving you in the bind. It is great to see Fauna making a co

This highlights the challenge of smaller proprietary SaaS offerings - they can shut down abruptly leaving you in the bind. It is great to see Fauna making a commitment to Open Source the project, which will be great option to have for their customers I wish they would have started with Open Source project to begin with, perhaps future would be different

Alifatisk 2y ago
> they can shut down abruptly leaving you in the bind "We understand that this is going to be a disruptive change to many and are fully committed to working with you to help you migrate off the service over the next several months."
- PeterZaitsev 2y ago
  Yes. We will work with you to help you, does not mean it is not going to be disruptive. Changing database technology is hard. Moving off from cloud to self serviced option is also hard.
- victorbjorklund 2y ago
  It is 2 months to switch to a totally different database with a totally different query language. That is not easy even if you get some "help" from a company shutting down.
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    Yeah I agree, 2 months is absurd.
traceroute66 2y ago
> This highlights the challenge of smaller proprietary SaaS offerings A large multinational like, say, Google would never do such a thing.... [1] Give me a break ! [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/
- Illniyar 2y ago
  Google is the exception that proves the rule. Companies are fearful of using GCP exactly because of their terrible reputation of unreliability (and lack of even basic support). No one fears AWS or Azure is going to shut down services they rely on (even if it happens in some rare cases).
  - traceroute66 2y ago
    > AWS or Azure is going to shut down services they rely on If we give the benefit of the doubt to a quick internet search, e.g. AWS: S3 Select, CloudSearch, Cloud9, SimpleDB, Forecast, Data Pipeline, and CodeCommit. All closed to new business, closure pending for existing customers. I'm sure if you read the small print, neither AWS or Azure make you any promises about the longevity of their services. Infact, if you believe in the cloud mantra, then you should treat all cloud services as a commodity that can undergo substancial changes or removal at any time.
    - chrisandchris 2y ago
      Not knowing the facts for those specific services but I assume it's more than a 2 months period for migration: > The Fauna service will be ending on May 30, 2025 E.g. Microsoft shut down (is still shutting down) Classic Admin Roles for Azure subscriptions for close to 9 months now.also, closed for new business also means there's no reason to migrate away if you've never got onto it - and you can still use it if you're already on it. 2.5 months to migrate off a service is way to short, especially in a time where no support from the supplier (Fauna) can be expected as employees will leave to (if they can).
      - ncruces 2y ago
        Google's GCP Discontinuation of Services policy requires 1 year advance notice for generally available services; this includes any significant backwards incompatible changes. I don't think they went against that policy for the past 16 years. I've certainly had services running there non-stop, with little to no maintenance, for about a decade.
biker142541 2y ago
I honestly don't understand the path of creating a fully proprietary SaaS these days if you cannot offer a fundamentally unique capability. Speed and scalability are conveniences more than a real business moat, I suspect.

Alifatisk 2y ago

> they can shut down abruptly leaving you in the bind "We understand that this is going to be a disruptive change to many and are fully committed to working with you to help you migrate off the service over the next several months."

PeterZaitsev 2y ago
Yes. We will work with you to help you, does not mean it is not going to be disruptive. Changing database technology is hard. Moving off from cloud to self serviced option is also hard.
victorbjorklund 2y ago
It is 2 months to switch to a totally different database with a totally different query language. That is not easy even if you get some "help" from a company shutting down.
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  Yeah I agree, 2 months is absurd.

traceroute66 2y ago

> This highlights the challenge of smaller proprietary SaaS offerings A large multinational like, say, Google would never do such a thing.... [1] Give me a break ! [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/

Illniyar 2y ago
Google is the exception that proves the rule. Companies are fearful of using GCP exactly because of their terrible reputation of unreliability (and lack of even basic support). No one fears AWS or Azure is going to shut down services they rely on (even if it happens in some rare cases).
- traceroute66 2y ago
  > AWS or Azure is going to shut down services they rely on If we give the benefit of the doubt to a quick internet search, e.g. AWS: S3 Select, CloudSearch, Cloud9, SimpleDB, Forecast, Data Pipeline, and CodeCommit. All closed to new business, closure pending for existing customers. I'm sure if you read the small print, neither AWS or Azure make you any promises about the longevity of their services. Infact, if you believe in the cloud mantra, then you should treat all cloud services as a commodity that can undergo substancial changes or removal at any time.
  - chrisandchris 2y ago
    Not knowing the facts for those specific services but I assume it's more than a 2 months period for migration: > The Fauna service will be ending on May 30, 2025 E.g. Microsoft shut down (is still shutting down) Classic Admin Roles for Azure subscriptions for close to 9 months now.also, closed for new business also means there's no reason to migrate away if you've never got onto it - and you can still use it if you're already on it. 2.5 months to migrate off a service is way to short, especially in a time where no support from the supplier (Fauna) can be expected as employees will leave to (if they can).
    - ncruces 2y ago
      Google's GCP Discontinuation of Services policy requires 1 year advance notice for generally available services; this includes any significant backwards incompatible changes. I don't think they went against that policy for the past 16 years. I've certainly had services running there non-stop, with little to no maintenance, for about a decade.

biker142541 2y ago

I honestly don't understand the path of creating a fully proprietary SaaS these days if you cannot offer a fundamentally unique capability. Speed and scalability are conveniences more than a real business moat, I suspect.