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Fedora 42 Beta

193 points by meysamazad 2y ago

7e 2y ago
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2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Good work! Looks like one heck of a release! FYI they now build WSL tarballs! https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/42_Beta-1.4/Container/x86_64/images/ https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/42_Beta-1.4/Conta...
- boomskats 2y ago
  Excellent! So no more Whitewater Foundry?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    I'm not sure they'll publish it in the windows store, you'll have to import it yourself. I've usually cobbled one together from their container rootfs. This tarball saves me some hassle
ndiddy 2y ago
Fedora KDE is probably the best KDE experience I've had, so I'm glad that it's going to get equal billing with the GNOME version going forward. Shoutout to the Fedora KDE maintainers for doing such a good job.
- sho_hn 2y ago
  KDE developer myself, and happy Fedora user since 2009. Agreed, the Fedora team does a great job, also with keeping us developers happy by e.g. providing dependencies needed by the unreleased development versions.
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    I really like working with 'mock' and 'fedpkg'; Fedora is a modern binary distribution, of course, but source rebuilds are like the same four commands away for any package
wirybeige 2y ago
I've been using Fedora 42 since it branched, it has been quite nice; I haven't encountered any breaking bugs with it. Has gnome 48 which comes with HDR support. Hope that chromium can get support for it soon, MPV can already do it apparently, but haven't tried it; games have been hit & miss for it, but I presume those will get ironed out over time.
nwah1 2y ago
Excited about the new COSMIC spin, and remain excited about the progression of the existing Atomic desktop spins.
- bsimpson 2y ago
  Nice that people have options. Setting up a desktop on your own isn't always easy. I tried COSMIC and was disappointed that it didn't work well on a touchscreen (a common refrain for Linux environments, and a motivator for me trying it out). Then again, it's still an alpha. Would be nice to see improvements there, but since it's from a laptop vendor, I don't have high expectations.
  - nwah1 2y ago
    I think it looks good, and seems fairly modern. The settings app would probably work well on touchscreen, but I'm sure many apps wouldn't. Definitely still in alpha. I like the idea that it will be a bit more secure, automatically. Security needs to be taken much more seriously. Fedora Atomic means most userspace apps will be sandboxed via Flatpak, and the base system itself will be immutable. Flatpak needs a lot more love, though. Portals aren't as good as Android or iOS or Windows capability-based permissions yet. Many important apps just request full permissions, needlessly.
staplung 2y ago
Gah! Why did they name their installer Anaconda? That name is already totally overloaded by the python Anaconda, which I notice now bills itself as "The Operating System for AI". That's like naming your programming language "JIT", or "Compiler" or..."Hack". UPDATE: as others have pointed out, I've got it backwards. RedHat had the name first. So, criticism retracted and redirected at the other Anaconda.
- deleted 2y ago
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- jjice 2y ago
  Leave it to Meta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language)
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) , the installer dates to 1999 and the python distro dates to 2012. So yes, the name is overloaded, but the installer came first, and came first by a lot.
  - staplung 2y ago
    Ah, okay. Criticism retracted from RedHat and redirected at (python) Anaconda.
  - m4rtink 2y ago
    And 1999 is just how far the Git history (imported from CVS, the project kinda skipped subversion directly to Git) goes. - The first commit is from April 24 1999 and says: "the very start of a gui frontend for anaconda": https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/785d44bf73ccc1d57d771895cc94112a34857809 https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/785d44bf73ccc... This kinda implies that Anaconda was in existence for some time back then & what was tracked in the newflangled change tracking software was the fancy new graphical UI. :) I have not really looked further if perhaps the backend was imported later on or just grew from the GUI - but the same codebase, with continous 27 years of history is what installs the Fedora 42 Beta today. :-)
jjice 2y ago
I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.
- wirybeige 2y ago
  Moving between distros I usually just have files I care about like documents and music on their own drive so I don't need to worry about moving them. As for moving from Ubuntu to Fedora, there are more steps to getting non-free software/codecs/drivers working on Fedora, you will need RPM Fusion for that. There are relevant How-Tos provided by RPM Fusion and other sources for installing NVIDIA drivers, ffmpeg (non-free), and more.
  - jjice 2y ago
    Having all my actual files separately stored from my system files just makes so much sense. Good call. Right now they're mostly relegated to a few directories, but I'm not positive, which is part of the headache I'm worried about with a switch. Having them completely separate and symlinked is a great call.
  - fanatic2pope 2y ago
    I believe these days the "extra steps" amount to just clicking an option box to allow third party repositories during install. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/third-party-repos/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-gro...
    - wirybeige 2y ago
      It enables only a small selection of RPM Fusion as your link shows, ofc flathub gets around some of the need for RPM Fusion, like video codecs, as long as everything else your using is a flatpak (and uses the applicable runtimes).
skyyler 2y ago
Excited that the partitioning portion of the installer is reworked - that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to newbies. Really excited that the KDE version is ascended from spin to Edition! That's what I use for my desktop at home.
- phkahler 2y ago
  >> that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to newbies. I've been running Fedora for 20 years and I still can't navigate that part of the install process. The combination of partitions and LLVM - which I don't need - and that part of the install setup... ooof. And try to reuse anything already on disk? I never can get it. Thank God upgrades are seamless now so I don't have to use the installer. BTW it's just the disk layout part I have a problem with. Everything else is great.
johnisgood 2y ago
Wayland has not been working for me properly though. I may give it another go so I'll be able to provide you an exhaustive list of what is not working properly, for now though, perhaps other people could chime in.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  What doesn't work properly?
  - oaththrowaway 2y ago
    My biggest gripe with Wayland is screen sharing/remote desktop. For my desktop PC I could just install RealVNC and have access to it on any of my devices anywhere in the world. I still haven't found a good solution for Wayland. I'm using RDP right now but it really sucks in comparison so far. Slack screen share is kind of hit and miss as well. Not to mention screen capture being less than ideal.
    - rcarmo 2y ago
      Install xorgxrdp-glamor and openh264. That will give you GPU-accelerated UI rendering and a much faster video stream. https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2025/01/05/1730#h-264-streaming-from-fedora-remote-desktops https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2025/01/05/1730#h-264-strea... (these packages have already been mainlined, I think)
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - modzu 2y ago
    literally the only thing that works better (and not worse) on wayland is fractional scaling, and it is still not great :D. but thats partly how fedora drives the whole ecosystem forward
  - tmtvl 2y ago
    Something I have had issues with is games not recognizing SC-controller configuration.
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nasir 2y ago
Using Fedora 3 as my first linux distro makes seeing this nostalgic.
- xd1936 2y ago
  Fedora Core 6 here!
  - boomskats 2y ago
    FC1 (i think? or like a pre-release beta version?) was the first time I saw that sweet, sweet, slick gnome UX and magical font rendering and mouse acceleration. I remember exactly where I was too - Birks halls at Exeter uni, spring 2003, on my mate Benji's Samsung laptop. It looked so amazing. He was so proud of it. I told him it looked shit and that I was sick of rpm and that he was a noob and that I was more than happy with my slackware makefiles and my KDE / enlightenment setup that I was still too afraid to upgrade to slack 8. One of the very few things I remember from that year, and yet I remember it in such detail. I'm really not sure how to feel about that. (but yeah, I've been rocking fedora full time since fc16 or so and haven't looked back, it's amazing)
    - worthless-trash 2y ago
      How did you forget the hotdog on boot ?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    Pre-EL Red Hat here!
- cozzyd 2y ago
  I remember the thrill of installing FC4 on my then-new laptop entering college... (and have been running fedora ever since...)
mythz 2y ago
Been a happy Fedora Desktop user since switching from 20+ years of Windows last year. Had a few hiccups at the start of last year with NVIDIA drivers in Wayland but that's since been resolved with Explicit sync support. Happy there's been no signs enshittification of Fedora from Redhat, it's a just a clean polished well maintain modern distro, great option if you're a dev switching from Windows.
benatkin 2y ago
I’ve been using Podman on Fedora on Lima (Mac OS) with rootless containers based on Fedora rather than from Docker Hub for fullstack web dev. I’m ready to use Rocky Linux or RHEL for some production stuff if I find it more suitable for something and have used Rocky Linux a fair bit. I’ve really grown to like Fedora and have switched to it from Ubuntu. They have systems for building OCI images that are interesting and useful, and related to buildpacks. https://src.fedoraproject.org/container/s2i-base https://src.fedoraproject.org/container/s2i-base
captn3m0 2y ago
Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-beta/ https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-... Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX
- virtualwhys 2y ago
  Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs. Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for me, it's a huge step back. Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away. Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo have on offer this spring/summer. Should be able to get a pretty decent PC laptop for less than the $4k+ an MBP 16" with 2TB/64GB will cost.
  - dpool 2y ago
    Might be worth taking a look at https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/.
    - tapoxi 2y ago
      I love my Framework 14. I'm absolutely sticking with this company for all future PCs.
      - mwinatschek 2y ago
        I’d love to try out their products, but as an European it could become a problem in the near future that they’re an US-based company.
        extraduder_ire 2y ago
        Why? They operate via multiple subsidiaries (the EU one is registered in Eindhoven), most notably Singapore and Taiwan, and do their main manufacturing in Taiwan.
threePointFive 2y ago
I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.
- mroche 2y ago
  I'm still hopeful that RHEL will find a way to integrate dnf system-upgrade in the future, but it's not a trivial undertaking. As long as the transaction can resolve cleanly, it's technically possible to do. But it doesn't mean you'll have a properly configured system when it boots up. Tools like leapp and its derivatives (ELevate) do a bit more under the hood work to ensure a complete upgrade. Fedora itself only ever supports and tests up to a two version bump for system upgrades, e.g. 40 -> 42, 41 -> 43, etc. RHEL major releases are jumping (at minimum) six Fedora releases. https://almalinux.org/elevate/ https://almalinux.org/elevate/
- ezekiel68 2y ago
  In our environments, we use Fedora. We run the package upgrades weekly in a test env and make sure the functional/integration tests pass successfully, then roll those forward to stage and prod envs. Very seldom (twice in 5 years) have we caught a problem in the lower environment that prohibited the upgrade from moving on towards prod. And in both of those instances, newer package upgrades in the test env fixed the problems within a week or two without us needing to open up an issue ourselves in the Fedora forums. Still, after one nasty experience in 2023, we always wait six to eight weeks after a new Fedora version is released before starring to attempt one of those upgrades. This has worked spectaculary well for us. We get all the benefits of newer mainline kernel drivers for recent server motherboard chipsets and CPUs while maintaining a very solid OS. CVEs seldom even get close to us, since they are often based on much older versions of system packages.
  - threePointFive 2y ago
    That's quite impressive by the standards I'm used to. Do you mind if I ask what scale you're operating at and what tools you use to manage the staged rollout?
dector 2y ago
Been playing around Bluefin recently [1]. Which is based on Fedora Silverblue [2]. These are atomic OSes which seems very nice and innovative indeed. I'm Debian user for 15+ years. But stable version is too old and testing for some reasons breaking quite often (last year I wasted more time on fixing Debian Testing after updates than my friend which uses Arch -_-). Now I'm looking for good alternatives and I think I will stick with containers rabbit hole. :) Thanks @jcastro [3] and contributers for fantastic work! <3 [1]: https://projectbluefin.io/ https://projectbluefin.io/ [2]: https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38992292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38992292
cytocync 2y ago
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nycticorax 2y ago
I'm excited to see KDE promoted to being an "edition", but does anyone know what is behind this decision? It surprises me that Red Hat would take this step, since they are (seemingly) a big GNOME proponent, and I thought many of the GNOME developers work for Red Hat.
- nexle 2y ago
  The official reasons can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstati...
- ndiddy 2y ago
  Here’s a good overview of what happened: https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/ https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/
pjmlp 2y ago
> Web UI is now default for Fedora Workstation: This new web-based UI for the OS installer is now default for Fedora Workstation in F42 Beta. .... How times have changed, even OS installers.
kasabali 2y ago
> RPM copy on write uses reflinking capabilities in btrfs Why not in XFS?

193 points by meysamazad 2y ago

7e 2y ago

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Good work! Looks like one heck of a release! FYI they now build WSL tarballs! https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/42_Beta-1.4/Container/x86_64/images/ https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/42_Beta-1.4/Conta...

boomskats 2y ago
Excellent! So no more Whitewater Foundry?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  I'm not sure they'll publish it in the windows store, you'll have to import it yourself. I've usually cobbled one together from their container rootfs. This tarball saves me some hassle

ndiddy 2y ago

Fedora KDE is probably the best KDE experience I've had, so I'm glad that it's going to get equal billing with the GNOME version going forward. Shoutout to the Fedora KDE maintainers for doing such a good job.

sho_hn 2y ago
KDE developer myself, and happy Fedora user since 2009. Agreed, the Fedora team does a great job, also with keeping us developers happy by e.g. providing dependencies needed by the unreleased development versions.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  I really like working with 'mock' and 'fedpkg'; Fedora is a modern binary distribution, of course, but source rebuilds are like the same four commands away for any package

wirybeige 2y ago

I've been using Fedora 42 since it branched, it has been quite nice; I haven't encountered any breaking bugs with it. Has gnome 48 which comes with HDR support. Hope that chromium can get support for it soon, MPV can already do it apparently, but haven't tried it; games have been hit & miss for it, but I presume those will get ironed out over time.

nwah1 2y ago

Excited about the new COSMIC spin, and remain excited about the progression of the existing Atomic desktop spins.

bsimpson 2y ago
Nice that people have options. Setting up a desktop on your own isn't always easy. I tried COSMIC and was disappointed that it didn't work well on a touchscreen (a common refrain for Linux environments, and a motivator for me trying it out). Then again, it's still an alpha. Would be nice to see improvements there, but since it's from a laptop vendor, I don't have high expectations.
- nwah1 2y ago
  I think it looks good, and seems fairly modern. The settings app would probably work well on touchscreen, but I'm sure many apps wouldn't. Definitely still in alpha. I like the idea that it will be a bit more secure, automatically. Security needs to be taken much more seriously. Fedora Atomic means most userspace apps will be sandboxed via Flatpak, and the base system itself will be immutable. Flatpak needs a lot more love, though. Portals aren't as good as Android or iOS or Windows capability-based permissions yet. Many important apps just request full permissions, needlessly.

staplung 2y ago

Gah! Why did they name their installer Anaconda? That name is already totally overloaded by the python Anaconda, which I notice now bills itself as "The Operating System for AI". That's like naming your programming language "JIT", or "Compiler" or..."Hack". UPDATE: as others have pointed out, I've got it backwards. RedHat had the name first. So, criticism retracted and redirected at the other Anaconda.

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jjice 2y ago
Leave it to Meta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(programming_language)
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(installer) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_(Python_distribution) , the installer dates to 1999 and the python distro dates to 2012. So yes, the name is overloaded, but the installer came first, and came first by a lot.
- staplung 2y ago
  Ah, okay. Criticism retracted from RedHat and redirected at (python) Anaconda.
- m4rtink 2y ago
  And 1999 is just how far the Git history (imported from CVS, the project kinda skipped subversion directly to Git) goes. - The first commit is from April 24 1999 and says: "the very start of a gui frontend for anaconda": https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/785d44bf73ccc1d57d771895cc94112a34857809 https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/commit/785d44bf73ccc... This kinda implies that Anaconda was in existence for some time back then & what was tracked in the newflangled change tracking software was the fancy new graphical UI. :) I have not really looked further if perhaps the backend was imported later on or just grew from the GUI - but the same codebase, with continous 27 years of history is what installs the Fedora 42 Beta today. :-)

jjice 2y ago

I've been feeling a pull towards Fedora lately away from Ubuntu, especially because there's apparently better hardware support for Framework laptops. Does anyone have experience for migrating from Ubuntu to Fedora? Package reinstallation isn't an issue for me, but wondering if anyone has some general tips for migrating everything between distributions, especially with different parent distros.

wirybeige 2y ago
Moving between distros I usually just have files I care about like documents and music on their own drive so I don't need to worry about moving them. As for moving from Ubuntu to Fedora, there are more steps to getting non-free software/codecs/drivers working on Fedora, you will need RPM Fusion for that. There are relevant How-Tos provided by RPM Fusion and other sources for installing NVIDIA drivers, ffmpeg (non-free), and more.
- jjice 2y ago
  Having all my actual files separately stored from my system files just makes so much sense. Good call. Right now they're mostly relegated to a few directories, but I'm not positive, which is part of the headache I'm worried about with a switch. Having them completely separate and symlinked is a great call.
- fanatic2pope 2y ago
  I believe these days the "extra steps" amount to just clicking an option box to allow third party repositories during install. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/third-party-repos/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-gro...
  - wirybeige 2y ago
    It enables only a small selection of RPM Fusion as your link shows, ofc flathub gets around some of the need for RPM Fusion, like video codecs, as long as everything else your using is a flatpak (and uses the applicable runtimes).

skyyler 2y ago

Excited that the partitioning portion of the installer is reworked - that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to newbies. Really excited that the KDE version is ascended from spin to Edition! That's what I use for my desktop at home.

phkahler 2y ago
>> that has been a pain point for recommending Fedora to newbies. I've been running Fedora for 20 years and I still can't navigate that part of the install process. The combination of partitions and LLVM - which I don't need - and that part of the install setup... ooof. And try to reuse anything already on disk? I never can get it. Thank God upgrades are seamless now so I don't have to use the installer. BTW it's just the disk layout part I have a problem with. Everything else is great.

johnisgood 2y ago

Wayland has not been working for me properly though. I may give it another go so I'll be able to provide you an exhaustive list of what is not working properly, for now though, perhaps other people could chime in.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
What doesn't work properly?
- oaththrowaway 2y ago
  My biggest gripe with Wayland is screen sharing/remote desktop. For my desktop PC I could just install RealVNC and have access to it on any of my devices anywhere in the world. I still haven't found a good solution for Wayland. I'm using RDP right now but it really sucks in comparison so far. Slack screen share is kind of hit and miss as well. Not to mention screen capture being less than ideal.
  - rcarmo 2y ago
    Install xorgxrdp-glamor and openh264. That will give you GPU-accelerated UI rendering and a much faster video stream. https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2025/01/05/1730#h-264-streaming-from-fedora-remote-desktops https://taoofmac.com/space/notes/2025/01/05/1730#h-264-strea... (these packages have already been mainlined, I think)
- deleted 2y ago
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- modzu 2y ago
  literally the only thing that works better (and not worse) on wayland is fractional scaling, and it is still not great :D. but thats partly how fedora drives the whole ecosystem forward
- tmtvl 2y ago
  Something I have had issues with is games not recognizing SC-controller configuration.

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nasir 2y ago

Using Fedora 3 as my first linux distro makes seeing this nostalgic.

xd1936 2y ago
Fedora Core 6 here!
- boomskats 2y ago
  FC1 (i think? or like a pre-release beta version?) was the first time I saw that sweet, sweet, slick gnome UX and magical font rendering and mouse acceleration. I remember exactly where I was too - Birks halls at Exeter uni, spring 2003, on my mate Benji's Samsung laptop. It looked so amazing. He was so proud of it. I told him it looked shit and that I was sick of rpm and that he was a noob and that I was more than happy with my slackware makefiles and my KDE / enlightenment setup that I was still too afraid to upgrade to slack 8. One of the very few things I remember from that year, and yet I remember it in such detail. I'm really not sure how to feel about that. (but yeah, I've been rocking fedora full time since fc16 or so and haven't looked back, it's amazing)
  - worthless-trash 2y ago
    How did you forget the hotdog on boot ?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  Pre-EL Red Hat here!
cozzyd 2y ago
I remember the thrill of installing FC4 on my then-new laptop entering college... (and have been running fedora ever since...)

mythz 2y ago

Been a happy Fedora Desktop user since switching from 20+ years of Windows last year. Had a few hiccups at the start of last year with NVIDIA drivers in Wayland but that's since been resolved with Explicit sync support. Happy there's been no signs enshittification of Fedora from Redhat, it's a just a clean polished well maintain modern distro, great option if you're a dev switching from Windows.

benatkin 2y ago

I’ve been using Podman on Fedora on Lima (Mac OS) with rootless containers based on Fedora rather than from Docker Hub for fullstack web dev. I’m ready to use Rocky Linux or RHEL for some production stuff if I find it more suitable for something and have used Rocky Linux a fair bit. I’ve really grown to like Fedora and have switched to it from Ubuntu. They have systems for building OCI images that are interesting and useful, and related to buildpacks. https://src.fedoraproject.org/container/s2i-base https://src.fedoraproject.org/container/s2i-base

captn3m0 2y ago

Asahi also has the 42 Beta available today: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-beta/ https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-asahi-remix-42-... Notably with FEX support for running x86 binaries. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FEX

virtualwhys 2y ago
Was just in an Apple Store yesterday mulling over whether or not to switch back to macOS after 15 years on Linux PCs. Both MacBook Pros and Airs are nice machines, but macOS, for me, it's a huge step back. Unfortunately the Asahi project is underfunded (likely one of the reasons the project founder/lead jumped ship recently), and as a result M4 support is likely a year+ away. Oh wells, let's see what Dell and Lenovo have on offer this spring/summer. Should be able to get a pretty decent PC laptop for less than the $4k+ an MBP 16" with 2TB/64GB will cost.
- dpool 2y ago
  Might be worth taking a look at https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/.
  - tapoxi 2y ago
    I love my Framework 14. I'm absolutely sticking with this company for all future PCs.
    - mwinatschek 2y ago
      I’d love to try out their products, but as an European it could become a problem in the near future that they’re an US-based company.
      - extraduder_ire 2y ago
        Why? They operate via multiple subsidiaries (the EU one is registered in Eindhoven), most notably Singapore and Taiwan, and do their main manufacturing in Taiwan.

threePointFive 2y ago

I've been super happy with Fedora since switching to it on desktop. Unfortunately I'm still biased to Debian for the server usecase. Fedora moves too quickly but RHEL (and derivatives) not supporting major version upgrades is pretty much a deal breaker. Would love a RedHat-themed distro with a ~5year support cycle with the option to do major version upgrades.

mroche 2y ago
I'm still hopeful that RHEL will find a way to integrate dnf system-upgrade in the future, but it's not a trivial undertaking. As long as the transaction can resolve cleanly, it's technically possible to do. But it doesn't mean you'll have a properly configured system when it boots up. Tools like leapp and its derivatives (ELevate) do a bit more under the hood work to ensure a complete upgrade. Fedora itself only ever supports and tests up to a two version bump for system upgrades, e.g. 40 -> 42, 41 -> 43, etc. RHEL major releases are jumping (at minimum) six Fedora releases. https://almalinux.org/elevate/ https://almalinux.org/elevate/
ezekiel68 2y ago
In our environments, we use Fedora. We run the package upgrades weekly in a test env and make sure the functional/integration tests pass successfully, then roll those forward to stage and prod envs. Very seldom (twice in 5 years) have we caught a problem in the lower environment that prohibited the upgrade from moving on towards prod. And in both of those instances, newer package upgrades in the test env fixed the problems within a week or two without us needing to open up an issue ourselves in the Fedora forums. Still, after one nasty experience in 2023, we always wait six to eight weeks after a new Fedora version is released before starring to attempt one of those upgrades. This has worked spectaculary well for us. We get all the benefits of newer mainline kernel drivers for recent server motherboard chipsets and CPUs while maintaining a very solid OS. CVEs seldom even get close to us, since they are often based on much older versions of system packages.
- threePointFive 2y ago
  That's quite impressive by the standards I'm used to. Do you mind if I ask what scale you're operating at and what tools you use to manage the staged rollout?

dector 2y ago

Been playing around Bluefin recently [1]. Which is based on Fedora Silverblue [2]. These are atomic OSes which seems very nice and innovative indeed. I'm Debian user for 15+ years. But stable version is too old and testing for some reasons breaking quite often (last year I wasted more time on fixing Debian Testing after updates than my friend which uses Arch -_-). Now I'm looking for good alternatives and I think I will stick with containers rabbit hole. :) Thanks @jcastro [3] and contributers for fantastic work! <3 [1]: https://projectbluefin.io/ https://projectbluefin.io/ [2]: https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38992292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38992292

cytocync 2y ago

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nycticorax 2y ago

I'm excited to see KDE promoted to being an "edition", but does anyone know what is behind this decision? It surprises me that Red Hat would take this step, since they are (seemingly) a big GNOME proponent, and I thought many of the GNOME developers work for Red Hat.

nexle 2y ago
The official reasons can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstati...
ndiddy 2y ago
Here’s a good overview of what happened: https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/ https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/

pjmlp 2y ago

> Web UI is now default for Fedora Workstation: This new web-based UI for the OS installer is now default for Fedora Workstation in F42 Beta. .... How times have changed, even OS installers.

kasabali 2y ago

> RPM copy on write uses reflinking capabilities in btrfs Why not in XFS?