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Apparently the word “delve” is the biggest indicator of the use of ChatGPT according to Paul Graham.

by randomtoast 2y ago

djmips 2y ago
So ChatGPT or Nigerians or me apparently... :`(
wincy 2y ago
I’d love to see an article delve into why that is.
- treyd 2y ago
  Because it's common in Nigerian English, which is where they outsourced a lot of the RLHF conditioning work to.
  - Hugsun 2y ago
    Really!? Do you have a source for this? This would be really interesting if true.
    - cratermoon 2y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape-ai-gadgest-humane-ai-pin-chatgpt https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape...
- sva_ 2y ago
  https://pshapira.net/2024/03/31/delving-into-delve/ https://pshapira.net/2024/03/31/delving-into-delve/
EGreg 2y ago
Saying that kind of stuff is the biggest indicator of Paul Graham (pg) himself
tasty_freeze 2y ago
That seems utterly bizarre to me. I don't use "delve" frequently myself, but it is common enough that it doesn't jump out as an unusual word. Perhaps it is overused or used in a not-exactly-usual context that tips one off that it is LLM-generated, but by itself it signifies nothing to me.
- godelski 2y ago
  It is a very common word used in Nigerian style English which was a very common place they were outsourcing RLHF tasks to. A sibling comment has a link but it is also easy to google.
  - dialogbox 2y ago
    As a non native speaker, I didn't know the word "delve" but now I know this word. I think internet community is learning from LLM?
    - godelski 2y ago
      > learning from LLM Or from each other?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
rottc0dd 2y ago
Non native speaker here. Will remember this. Hm... Saw that, I have used it multiple times in my comment. I was just trying to convey the meaning. What is right use of word? What would be right word to use here?
- hyperliner 2y ago
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- seizethecheese 2y ago
  Native English speaker here. It was the right word. At the same time, while “delve” is common enough to be recognized, it’s not that commonly used in American English, so I also was wondering if this was AI generated.
  - rottc0dd 2y ago
    Got it. What is the common phrase used in this case? Same as what sibling comment has said?
pyinstallwoes 2y ago
Absolutely, here’s why.
amelius 2y ago
Nonsense. Chatgpt uses the word a lot precisely because people used it a lot.
- tzs 2y ago
  Apparently this depends on where people are. It is not used a lot in US English, but it is used a lot in African English. Part of training LLMs involves extensive human feedback, and many LLM makers outsource that to Africa to save money. The LLMs then pick up and use African English. See the link in this comment [1] for an interesting article about this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43394220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43394220
HPsquared 2y ago
It does kind of go with "deep" though when Deep Learning is the topic. Delve into the depths.
sharpshadow 2y ago
For me it’s “eerie” it just will not stop using this word.

Apparently the word “delve” is the biggest indicator of the use of ChatGPT according to Paul Graham.

djmips 2y ago

So ChatGPT or Nigerians or me apparently... :`(

wincy 2y ago

I’d love to see an article delve into why that is.

treyd 2y ago
Because it's common in Nigerian English, which is where they outsourced a lot of the RLHF conditioning work to.
- Hugsun 2y ago
  Really!? Do you have a source for this? This would be really interesting if true.
  - cratermoon 2y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape-ai-gadgest-humane-ai-pin-chatgpt https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape...
sva_ 2y ago
https://pshapira.net/2024/03/31/delving-into-delve/ https://pshapira.net/2024/03/31/delving-into-delve/

EGreg 2y ago

Saying that kind of stuff is the biggest indicator of Paul Graham (pg) himself

tasty_freeze 2y ago

That seems utterly bizarre to me. I don't use "delve" frequently myself, but it is common enough that it doesn't jump out as an unusual word. Perhaps it is overused or used in a not-exactly-usual context that tips one off that it is LLM-generated, but by itself it signifies nothing to me.

godelski 2y ago
It is a very common word used in Nigerian style English which was a very common place they were outsourcing RLHF tasks to. A sibling comment has a link but it is also easy to google.
- dialogbox 2y ago
  As a non native speaker, I didn't know the word "delve" but now I know this word. I think internet community is learning from LLM?
  - godelski 2y ago
    > learning from LLM Or from each other?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

rottc0dd 2y ago

Non native speaker here. Will remember this. Hm... Saw that, I have used it multiple times in my comment. I was just trying to convey the meaning. What is right use of word? What would be right word to use here?

hyperliner 2y ago
[dead]
seizethecheese 2y ago
Native English speaker here. It was the right word. At the same time, while “delve” is common enough to be recognized, it’s not that commonly used in American English, so I also was wondering if this was AI generated.
- rottc0dd 2y ago
  Got it. What is the common phrase used in this case? Same as what sibling comment has said?

pyinstallwoes 2y ago

Absolutely, here’s why.

amelius 2y ago

Nonsense. Chatgpt uses the word a lot precisely because people used it a lot.

tzs 2y ago
Apparently this depends on where people are. It is not used a lot in US English, but it is used a lot in African English. Part of training LLMs involves extensive human feedback, and many LLM makers outsource that to Africa to save money. The LLMs then pick up and use African English. See the link in this comment [1] for an interesting article about this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43394220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43394220

HPsquared 2y ago

It does kind of go with "deep" though when Deep Learning is the topic. Delve into the depths.

sharpshadow 2y ago

For me it’s “eerie” it just will not stop using this word.