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Brown University Professor Is Deported Despite a Judge's Order
- voidfunc 2y agoJudges order means nothing if the executive branch decides not to enforce it and the legislature won't hold the executive accountable. I am honestly surprised we took so long to get to this failure mode of our system of government.
- pstuart 2y ago> Judges order means nothing if the executive branch decides not to enforce it and the legislature won't hold the executive accountable. This administration will not act in good faith -- it will cite and use laws that it agrees with to compel action and when faced with anything not aligned with its goals will simply ignore it. While there is resistance, it's going to be too little, too late. There's so many horrible aspects about this, but at the top is the fact that there's a sizable amount of the population which likes this. My faith in humanity is just about gone.
- seanp2k2 2y agoYeah, I’ll never suffer another Republican speaking about “law and order” or upholding the Constitution again when they’ve so clearly and so reliably failed to do so.
- pstuart 2y agoCafeteria constitutionalists -- they take the parts they like and dismiss the rest. The other thing about "those people" and the Constitution is that they like to play the "originalism" game. I'm guessing theres a really high correlation between those folk and those that believe the bible is the literal word of god (i.e., those of an authoritarian bent). Jefferson expected it to be molded by future generations (as it should). Case in point: that's why amendments exist. The current Republican party has made no secret they'd be happy to roll it all back to just the original doc, to make america great again by annointing white men as above all.
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- deepfriedchokes 2y agoSeparation of powers seems pretty toothless if it operates entirely on good faith.
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- consteval 2y agoIt is toothless, but you need a lot of stars to align for this to work out. I mean, all it takes is a few people with a head on their shoulders and a commitment to the constitution to stop this. This has been a lot of wealthy individuals and politicians wet dream for 200 years now. The fact that it's even coming to fruition at all points to how long, arduous, and complex the orchestration must have been. I mean, when did this really begin?
- koops 2y agoPlease don't spike this as political. If U.S. democracy breaks down, as this event portends, it will absolutely have an effect on startups.
- pstuart 2y agoIt's unfortunately political to its core, but it's absolutely relevant to all of our lives.
- consumer451 2y agoReading some of the comments on the latest post from YC's immigration lawyer felt like a chilling sign of times to come. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43363056 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43363056
- refulgentis 2y agoGary's promised a bright future after Juche. All in on tariffs and nativism. We are told our glorious future awaits. I'd tell him, ye reap what ye sow. But truth is, I'm the sucker. Same people I want a check from are the ones pulling up the ladders behind them in some sort of bizarre LARP. And he could give two shits about what questions one of his companies lawyers has to answer.
- Chinjut 2y agoToo late. It's been flagged.
- underseacables 2y agoThis has absolutely nothing to do with technology, it is purely political, and should not be here.
- consumer451 2y agoIn my opinion, nearly all stories regarding US immigration are related to technology due to one inconvenient fact: > 55% Of America’s Billion-Dollar Startups Have An Immigrant Founder https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/ https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dol...
- wtmt 2y agoIn such cases in the U.S., where judicial orders are not heeded, what are the consequences for the executive (and the agencies it controls) and what are the remedies practically available (something that can be put into action) for the judiciary for contempt of court? To what extent can the executive get away with disobeying judicial orders (without filing appeals)?
- unsnap_biceps 2y agoCongress is intended to be able to enforce via impeachment, but if congress declines to impeach, there's really no consequences for the executive branch.
- electric_mayhem 2y agoCan we recall the elected officials who are shirking their duty to impeach an executive who is behaving unlawfully?
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- xnx 2y agoThe 2A crowd has thoughts about this
- bediger4000 2y agoYeah, thoughts and prayers. I'll believe the 2A crowd if they ever do something.
- yongjik 2y agoYou have more faith in them than I do. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2A crowd rise up, in a year or two, to defend America's Lord and Savior Trump from leftist thugs.
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- tetrisgm 2y agoIt's almost as if the argument for skilled foreign workers isn't real
- int_19h 2y ago"There is a shortage of American doctors working in Dr. Alawieh’s area of specialty, transplant nephrology. ... Her patients included individuals awaiting transplants and those dealing with the complex conditions that can occur after a transplant" Sounds like a pretty strong argument to me.
- readthenotes1 2y ago"argument for skilled foreign workers isn't real" Tbf, what made the USA great (in addition to vast amounts of natural resources, peaceful neighbors, and technological dominance over the indigenous) was turning skilled foreign workers into skilled local workers
- tetrisgm 2y agoJesus Christ. I'm pro foreign workers. I was one myself. My point is that these people keep saying they want skilled workers, and then bs like this story happens, proving that their argument about wanting skilled workers is just an excuse. They're really just against foreign workers. The economics of a reverse brain drain are well known and their upside is clear.
- consumer451 2y agohttps://archive.md/UPXfp https://archive.md/UPXfp
- raincom 2y agoCBP detained Prof. Rasha Alawieh upon her return from Lebanon to the Boston Logan airport, and deported her after 36 hours of detention. Usually, CBP has broader powers at the border. So many people were deported from the US airports, despite having valid Visas; CBP folks can take ur phone and laptop and rummage through it, then deport folks for flimsy reasons.
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- refulgentis 2y agoPlease, feel free to share, I can't find anything different.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoWhat facts are we missing?
- apical_dendrite 2y agoWhat exactly is not reflective of the facts? The court issued a standard order to the government to provide 48 hours notice before deporting her. The government ignored that order. You can see the docket here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69741237/chehab-v-noem/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69741237/chehab-v-noem/
- readthenotes1 2y ago"Immigration officials did not receive this order before Alawieh was sent on a plane to Paris, according to the Boston Globe." The Boston globe link was behind a paywall, unfortunately. I don't mean to quibble inordinately, but there's probably enough bad here to stick to the lede (skilled worker deported without cause) and not distractions https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2025/03/brown-professor-doctor-held-by-customs-officials-at-boston-airport-after-travel-to-lebanon https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2025/03/brown-profe...
- apical_dendrite 2y agoThat is not in the latest Boston Globe article on the case. https://archive.is/tvXUn https://archive.is/tvXUn EDIT: OK I see the confusion. The Globe article from Friday quotes the organ program medical director as saying the court order "apparently" didn't arrive in time. But over the weekend, her lawyers provided a detailed timeline to the court saying that they provided the order to CBP at Logan Airport before the plane took off. So I think the claim you're referencing here is just outdated and incomplete. https://archive.is/IgnTA https://archive.is/IgnTA
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- prpl 2y agoThe legal system is a single point of failure here without any apparent teeth. The only thing that makes sense is to start holding the underlings in contempt
- jfengel 2y agoGenerally, the Justice Department would side with the Courts, even if the President didn't. The idea that the President would interfere in the workings of the department to that degree is a new failure point. Technically, impeachment and removal is another mechanism that would have to fail, but that one failed long ago. The bar is set very high and the process has never been completed.
- theahura 2y agoThere are now three cases of the Trump admin explicitly ignoring orders from the Judiciary: - The deportation of a Brown University Professor / kidney transplant specialist on an H1B (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/16/us/brown-university-rasha-alawieh-professor-deported.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/16/us/brown-university-rasha...) - The deportation of Venezuelan immigrants using the Alien Enemies Act (https://6abc.com/post/trump-administration-ignores-judges-order-divert-flights-back-us-deports-accused-venezuelan-gang-members-sources/16034307/ https://6abc.com/post/trump-administration-ignores-judges-or...) - The release of funds to states that Trump does not like (https://apnews.com/article/federal-grants-loans-spending-freeze-trump-administration-6620ef49a21f88f83f8f998805b92677 https://apnews.com/article/federal-grants-loans-spending-fre...) Relatedly, many of my friends are now looking for quick avenues out of the country, including applying for EU/Canadian citizenship.
- readthenotes1 2y agowell, turns out it's pretty simple according to the border patrol: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1901668299793899705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1901668299793899705%7Ctwgr%5Eb1aca6ac3614b9d3091623dc6d4a58e43c8fe716%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ft%2Fassets%2Fhtml%2Ftweet-4.html1901668299793899705 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1901668299793899705?ref_src=twsr...