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the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest
by tonyhart7 2y ago
the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest
- timewizard 2y agoIt's a weapon meant to deny the use of an area by threatening non-selective permanent physical damage. There are very few legitimate civil use cases for something like that.
- Aeolun 2y agoSomething like protecting the capitol from being stormed by a mob?
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoOnly if you want to justify the mob's presence there.
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- timewizard 2y agoI might have tried just closing and locking the doors first.
- ta1243 2y agoYes because Trump's lot are too stupid to break down windows and doors https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/06/jim-himes-inside-washington-dc-protest-congress-electoral-college-vpx.cnn https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/06/jim-himes...
- timewizard 2y agoYou really believe the security of those windows in the Capitol comes down to the glass? That you're even willing to accept this proposition says something. Anyways, to my point, clearly observable in that picture are security shutters, on the sides of the window, left open and unlocked. I might have closed and locked those.
- shadowgovt 2y agoEgg on the faces of the Capitol security team for not drilling on a mob riled up by the sitting President storming the US Capitol I guess.
- alabastervlog 2y agoYou could outfit the front steps with crewed machine guns, but apparently they only do that if they expect people protesting in favor of liberal values.
- Aeolun 2y agoI thought they made these sound cannons so they didn’t have to mow down their own populace? I also feel like that’d have a counterproductive effect.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoIf you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage. It just screams "escalation" to me.
- propagandist 2y agoAnd that is possibly the aim. When the protests turn into violence or sabotage, the state uses that to justify its own violent repression.
- tonyhart7 2y agoso you saying if there are violence or sabotage, you let these people do it??? how can that be better
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoThey're suggesting that the point of an authority using this weapon on a mass of people may be to cause those people to become violent so that the authority can use the subsequent fear to justify further abuses. Which I think is likely, but also a bad decision. Generally speaking, the job of a legitimate government is to make violent protest unnecessary. So depending on the situation, the best action may indeed be to back down and rethink how things got there in the first place, rather than continuing to provoke more violence. Continuing to escalate is not a sustainable strategy for anyone that intends to maintain power for long, as the numbers are not generally on their side.
- tonyhart7 2y agoYeah but the problem is with mass movement people like this, there are good chance people that can take advantage of these protest (looting,rob etc) the point of these weapon is not "defeat" but mostly to crowd control right because you cant rule out if there is no crime even in peaceful protest, both things can be true at the same time also if such weapon is not permanently injure or harm people, I can see why this weapon is in need like pepper spray
- AngryData 2y agoI don't find it acceptable for any reason whatsoever.