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As a native Floridian, still living in Florida, I am over the state of the state. The elderly have routinely voted against their best interests. I have moved o

As a native Floridian, still living in Florida, I am over the state of the state. The elderly have routinely voted against their best interests. I have moved on from social security, medicare and plan on not having any government support by the time I retire. We cannot vote to fix our insurance costs, adapt to climate change, or provide any form of transit other than your own car. They even voted the guy who's company commited medicare fraud into governorship, and then into congress. You cannot even make this shit up.

jmclnx 2y ago
Well to be fair, this can be true for many "red" States and areas of "blue" States as well. It is not like people were not warned, but I expect many people in nursing homes no longer vote.
- thinkingtoilet 2y ago
  Name a blue state that has voted in to congres the person responsible for the biggest Medicare fraud in history. Name a blue state that routinely bans books like Florida. Name a blue state that is regularly devastated by the increasing effects of climate change and elects people who deny it. Name a blue state that has a government so fragile and detached from reality they had to fire the person who was responsible for releasing covid statistics. No, this is not a full endorsement for everything the democratic party has ever done and no, this is not saying blue states don't have problems. I'm just so tired of this "both sides" nonsense.
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    They won't because they can't. That they're making such absurd arguments is that they refuse to admit they've been and are wrong about the direction this world needs to take. Only the cruel vote for a cruel bastard, only the racists vote for Nazi-adjacent racists, and only wannabe dictators vote for obvious fascists. Anyone who tries to both-sides this is a willfully ignorant fool. They have eyes that do not see, ears that do not hear, and hearts that do not understand. That's the nature of the cruel, compassionless fools of this world. They are asleep at the wheel of life. And they must embrace compassion to wake themselves up. We cannot do it for them, but their free will lets them be as stupid and cruel as they choose, but we ALL reap what we sow, for good or ill. Peace be with you, friend.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      > Only the cruel vote for a cruel bastard, only the racists vote for Nazi-adjacent racists, and only wannabe dictators vote for obvious fascists. That's true for much of Trump's base, but it's not especially true for the marginal Trump voter. > willfully ignorant fool That's what they are. We've been celebrating ignorance for a long time now. But this isn't like Xkcd's "lucky 10,000". This willful choice to embrace ignorance has deadly consequences. Americans have a civic duty to vote, and they have a civic duty to be informed when they vote. This isn't like a local election where information is hard to find. Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. "Willfully ignorant fool" should be an insult as strong as "Fascist".
MrMcCall 2y ago
That's why this Trump 2.0 is not at all bothering me. I mean, I'm sorry to see the loss of America's unrealized potential, being a great theoretical govt framework, the best in the world, looks to me. But when it gets really shitty, it'll be shitty for all of us, but I'm not going to deserve it because I haven't been living with my head up my arse. The fools here have voted for a lying, cheating, raping bastard who is obviously beholden to foreign interests. So, when the Trumpers get to suffering, I ain't gonna have one iota of pity for them. They're going to learn how it feels when no one cares about them, those dumb fucks. And, know that I don't want them to be miserable, but I'm gonna let them reap what they've sown, and make sure they know that they deserve it. Maybe some of them will actually WAKE UP. You should all embrace compassion for one and all before shit gets messy.
- fluidcruft 2y ago
  What a hateful thing to say.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    I don't see any hate in it, it seemed like a post talking about sympathy for hateful people. They even said they didn't want the hateful people to be miserable. That's really nice.
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    I love how the ignorant go out of their way to prove their ignorance. Their words are worth less than the fleeting vibrations they emit into the ether. All that matters in this world is our compassionate service to humanity. Our happiness, peace and contentment are completely correlated to it. Justice is in the fabric of this universe, though most people are too ignorant and selfish to realize the truth all around them. The truth is hidden behind the door of compassion, which we all have the choice to walk through or avoid entirely. Choose your destiny well, for you will reap what you sow.
    - fluidcruft 2y ago
      If one wants to read flowery story arcs like some sort of renfaire fourth-wall instant karma narrator on a sitcom, then perhaps try Trump 2.0 as punishment Biden and the DNC deserves.
frankharv 2y ago
>>>or provide any form of transit other than your own car. My last visit in November I hiked 4 miles on a trail in Ocala National Forest. It was devine. No other humans encountered. Florida is too big for Public Transit. Some of the train routes seem successful.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  “Florida is too big for public transit” is entirely circular reasoning. Things are so spread out because of dependence on private transit. The more densely (and public-system connected) we can make our cities, the more divine Ocala National Forest-like experiences we can access and preserve for our children.
- eesmith 2y ago
  Florida had public transit before the 1950s. All those Northerners that came down for the winter during the 1920s land boom traveled on train. It isn't like they bought a car just for their visit. For example, Coral Gables, next to Miami, had an electric trolley system. My aunt used busses to get around the Tampa area back in the 1960s, when Florida transit was segregated. There's a bunch of rails-to-trails routes because many places used to have train service. Take Perry, for example. It's only a few thousand people but it's over 100 years old (with an infamous massacre of blacks in the 1920s), and you can see the old stationhouse at https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJK8B6mjJpEXRrdK6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJK8B6mjJpEXRrdK6 right next to the tracks, a few blocks from the town center. (If you visit, Johnson's Bakery has some of the best donuts I've tasted, though they've changed ownership since I was last there.) So no, Florida is not too big for Public Transit. That there is too much sprawl is a rather different topic. A Florida developed around mass transit instead of personal car ownership would look very different even if it had the same population and area.
sixothree 2y ago
I hate to say it this way but Fox News is 100% the reason for this. They’ve realized some formula for engaging elderly people in an addictive way. I have an elderly neighbor family friend whose husband watches nothing but Fox News all day every day. It’s a very strange reality to visit. Every so she will ask me some reality check like whispering to me “do you really think we need to be this worried about the communists?”. All I am able to do is reassure her that liberals are generally good people and have a sense of morality and virtue that would rival that of any “Christian right wing” person. I tell her the world is filled with good people and what she sees just isn’t a true reality.

jmclnx 2y ago

Well to be fair, this can be true for many "red" States and areas of "blue" States as well. It is not like people were not warned, but I expect many people in nursing homes no longer vote.

thinkingtoilet 2y ago
Name a blue state that has voted in to congres the person responsible for the biggest Medicare fraud in history. Name a blue state that routinely bans books like Florida. Name a blue state that is regularly devastated by the increasing effects of climate change and elects people who deny it. Name a blue state that has a government so fragile and detached from reality they had to fire the person who was responsible for releasing covid statistics. No, this is not a full endorsement for everything the democratic party has ever done and no, this is not saying blue states don't have problems. I'm just so tired of this "both sides" nonsense.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  They won't because they can't. That they're making such absurd arguments is that they refuse to admit they've been and are wrong about the direction this world needs to take. Only the cruel vote for a cruel bastard, only the racists vote for Nazi-adjacent racists, and only wannabe dictators vote for obvious fascists. Anyone who tries to both-sides this is a willfully ignorant fool. They have eyes that do not see, ears that do not hear, and hearts that do not understand. That's the nature of the cruel, compassionless fools of this world. They are asleep at the wheel of life. And they must embrace compassion to wake themselves up. We cannot do it for them, but their free will lets them be as stupid and cruel as they choose, but we ALL reap what we sow, for good or ill. Peace be with you, friend.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    > Only the cruel vote for a cruel bastard, only the racists vote for Nazi-adjacent racists, and only wannabe dictators vote for obvious fascists. That's true for much of Trump's base, but it's not especially true for the marginal Trump voter. > willfully ignorant fool That's what they are. We've been celebrating ignorance for a long time now. But this isn't like Xkcd's "lucky 10,000". This willful choice to embrace ignorance has deadly consequences. Americans have a civic duty to vote, and they have a civic duty to be informed when they vote. This isn't like a local election where information is hard to find. Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. "Willfully ignorant fool" should be an insult as strong as "Fascist".

MrMcCall 2y ago

That's why this Trump 2.0 is not at all bothering me. I mean, I'm sorry to see the loss of America's unrealized potential, being a great theoretical govt framework, the best in the world, looks to me. But when it gets really shitty, it'll be shitty for all of us, but I'm not going to deserve it because I haven't been living with my head up my arse. The fools here have voted for a lying, cheating, raping bastard who is obviously beholden to foreign interests. So, when the Trumpers get to suffering, I ain't gonna have one iota of pity for them. They're going to learn how it feels when no one cares about them, those dumb fucks. And, know that I don't want them to be miserable, but I'm gonna let them reap what they've sown, and make sure they know that they deserve it. Maybe some of them will actually WAKE UP. You should all embrace compassion for one and all before shit gets messy.

fluidcruft 2y ago
What a hateful thing to say.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  I don't see any hate in it, it seemed like a post talking about sympathy for hateful people. They even said they didn't want the hateful people to be miserable. That's really nice.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  I love how the ignorant go out of their way to prove their ignorance. Their words are worth less than the fleeting vibrations they emit into the ether. All that matters in this world is our compassionate service to humanity. Our happiness, peace and contentment are completely correlated to it. Justice is in the fabric of this universe, though most people are too ignorant and selfish to realize the truth all around them. The truth is hidden behind the door of compassion, which we all have the choice to walk through or avoid entirely. Choose your destiny well, for you will reap what you sow.
  - fluidcruft 2y ago
    If one wants to read flowery story arcs like some sort of renfaire fourth-wall instant karma narrator on a sitcom, then perhaps try Trump 2.0 as punishment Biden and the DNC deserves.

frankharv 2y ago

>>>or provide any form of transit other than your own car. My last visit in November I hiked 4 miles on a trail in Ocala National Forest. It was devine. No other humans encountered. Florida is too big for Public Transit. Some of the train routes seem successful.

llamaimperative 2y ago
“Florida is too big for public transit” is entirely circular reasoning. Things are so spread out because of dependence on private transit. The more densely (and public-system connected) we can make our cities, the more divine Ocala National Forest-like experiences we can access and preserve for our children.
eesmith 2y ago
Florida had public transit before the 1950s. All those Northerners that came down for the winter during the 1920s land boom traveled on train. It isn't like they bought a car just for their visit. For example, Coral Gables, next to Miami, had an electric trolley system. My aunt used busses to get around the Tampa area back in the 1960s, when Florida transit was segregated. There's a bunch of rails-to-trails routes because many places used to have train service. Take Perry, for example. It's only a few thousand people but it's over 100 years old (with an infamous massacre of blacks in the 1920s), and you can see the old stationhouse at https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJK8B6mjJpEXRrdK6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/NJK8B6mjJpEXRrdK6 right next to the tracks, a few blocks from the town center. (If you visit, Johnson's Bakery has some of the best donuts I've tasted, though they've changed ownership since I was last there.) So no, Florida is not too big for Public Transit. That there is too much sprawl is a rather different topic. A Florida developed around mass transit instead of personal car ownership would look very different even if it had the same population and area.

sixothree 2y ago

I hate to say it this way but Fox News is 100% the reason for this. They’ve realized some formula for engaging elderly people in an addictive way. I have an elderly neighbor family friend whose husband watches nothing but Fox News all day every day. It’s a very strange reality to visit. Every so she will ask me some reality check like whispering to me “do you really think we need to be this worried about the communists?”. All I am able to do is reassure her that liberals are generally good people and have a sense of morality and virtue that would rival that of any “Christian right wing” person. I tell her the world is filled with good people and what she sees just isn’t a true reality.