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That has been falsely taught to you but the real fight has never been about the type of rule. But rather on the type of economy US and the west hate China not b

That has been falsely taught to you but the real fight has never been about the type of rule. But rather on the type of economy US and the west hate China not because of how its dictatorship but rather because its economy is not private capital economy that is showing it can succeed without private citizens completely taking over the country. As in the last 40-50 years is has been the US and western countries that have been involved in bringing down democracies that had slightest socialist tendencies and propped up dictatorships that allowed the companies to exploit the countries resources. So it is not about the type of government rather the type of economy.

tw04 2y ago
>its economy is not private capital economy that is showing it can succeed without private citizens completely taking over the country. Its economy absolutely is private capital. What it has shown is the dictator is still stronger than the private capital and will react to any threats to the dictator with violence (see: Jack Ma) > As in the last 40-50 years is has been the US and western countries that have been involved in bringing down democracies that had slightest socialist tendencies and propped up dictatorships that allowed the companies to exploit the countries resources. So it is not about the type of government rather the type of economy. Ahhh, yes, the Great War of 2021 when the US invaded Sweden, Finland, and Norway for having governments in power that have far more than “even the slightest socialist tendencies”.
- Aeolos 2y ago
  > Ahhh, yes, the Great War of 2021 when the US invaded Sweden, Finland, and Norway for having governments in power that have far more than “even the slightest socialist tendencies”. No, the Great Stupidity of 2025, when the US started officially endorsing the extreme right-wing in the EU and calling for its dismantlement.
- Kavelach 2y ago
  How is Sweden, Finland or Norway in any way socialist? I haven't heard anything about seizing the means of production or overthrowing of the capitalist class from them. Unless you treat governments doings stuff as socialism, then I guess they may be.
- xbmcuser 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&rco=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&rco=1
epoxy_sauce 2y ago
China started rising when it allowed capitalism in its special economic zones. Private capital had a big part in it. Shenzhen was given that status in the early 80s.
- engels_gibs 2y ago
  That's like 10% of the story. There are dozens of countries that moved to a more capital oriented economy yet there is only one China. The philipines, Indonesia, Malasia, the whole continent of Africa or South America. All capitalist economies, even neoliberal. Yet none of those countries that "allowed capitalism" come close to 1% of China's GDP. What's the difference? The difference is that in China the Communist Party governs. Society rules over Capital, not the other way around. That made the whole difference.
  - matthest 2y ago
    Another aspect is that China has more people than the US and Europe combined. Massive labor force unrivaled by any in the world, all working to elevate 1 country. Allowing capitalism, a competent government, and sheer volume of people - all critical to making their rise possible.
  - epoxy_sauce 2y ago
    I do think they made some sound monetary decisions in their financial markets given how much nonsense the US deals with. I do think you are discounting the capitalism side and give too much weight to the governance side though. Really there's more nuance to both our sides, I don't feel internet comments is rly the best way to try and convey it.

tw04 2y ago

>its economy is not private capital economy that is showing it can succeed without private citizens completely taking over the country. Its economy absolutely is private capital. What it has shown is the dictator is still stronger than the private capital and will react to any threats to the dictator with violence (see: Jack Ma) > As in the last 40-50 years is has been the US and western countries that have been involved in bringing down democracies that had slightest socialist tendencies and propped up dictatorships that allowed the companies to exploit the countries resources. So it is not about the type of government rather the type of economy. Ahhh, yes, the Great War of 2021 when the US invaded Sweden, Finland, and Norway for having governments in power that have far more than “even the slightest socialist tendencies”.

Aeolos 2y ago
> Ahhh, yes, the Great War of 2021 when the US invaded Sweden, Finland, and Norway for having governments in power that have far more than “even the slightest socialist tendencies”. No, the Great Stupidity of 2025, when the US started officially endorsing the extreme right-wing in the EU and calling for its dismantlement.
Kavelach 2y ago
How is Sweden, Finland or Norway in any way socialist? I haven't heard anything about seizing the means of production or overthrowing of the capitalist class from them. Unless you treat governments doings stuff as socialism, then I guess they may be.
xbmcuser 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&rco=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&rco=1

epoxy_sauce 2y ago

China started rising when it allowed capitalism in its special economic zones. Private capital had a big part in it. Shenzhen was given that status in the early 80s.

engels_gibs 2y ago
That's like 10% of the story. There are dozens of countries that moved to a more capital oriented economy yet there is only one China. The philipines, Indonesia, Malasia, the whole continent of Africa or South America. All capitalist economies, even neoliberal. Yet none of those countries that "allowed capitalism" come close to 1% of China's GDP. What's the difference? The difference is that in China the Communist Party governs. Society rules over Capital, not the other way around. That made the whole difference.
- matthest 2y ago
  Another aspect is that China has more people than the US and Europe combined. Massive labor force unrivaled by any in the world, all working to elevate 1 country. Allowing capitalism, a competent government, and sheer volume of people - all critical to making their rise possible.
- epoxy_sauce 2y ago
  I do think they made some sound monetary decisions in their financial markets given how much nonsense the US deals with. I do think you are discounting the capitalism side and give too much weight to the governance side though. Really there's more nuance to both our sides, I don't feel internet comments is rly the best way to try and convey it.