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Ogres Are Cool
- piperswe 2y agohttps://archive.is/POXh6 https://archive.is/POXh6
- mitchbob 2y agoReview of The Brothers Grimm: A Biography
- juggernaut420 2y ago"in the United States sometimes spelled lede"
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoOgres are like networks. Networks have layers, Ogres have layers. They both have layers.
- PeterWhittaker 2y ago...as does parfait.
- taneq 2y agoThis was an interesting Tor of some memes.
- BizarroLand 2y agoAnd they are both terrifying and make you cry? -Person who has done cisco networking
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoOgre Systems Interconnection standard model?
- babygetoboy 2y agoI thought this said Orgies Are Cool on first glance..
- Sysreq2 2y agoThey are most certainly not. It suffers from the nude beach paradox: Anyone who wants you to see them naked, is not someone you want to see naked.
- throwway120385 2y agoIt's an odd paradox, since people go to nude beaches to be nude, not to be seen naked.
- short_sells_poo 2y agoI think parent was let down by the wording. The paradox is: "the people who go to the nude beach to be naked are not the people you actually want to see naked". There's no implication that the people who go there want to be seen naked, just that they aren't easy on the eyes (of any innocent bystanders).
- rrr_oh_man 2y agoYou've been the wrong parties, my friend. (Or you don't have the right kinks)
- rrr_oh_man 2y agoProbably downvoted by the Virtuous Valley Virgins
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- clauderoux 2y agoThere's an error in the text. It says they were Huguenots who left after the Edict of Nantes, which is not true. They left after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685, which had protected Huguenots until then. This last edict is called the Edict of Fontainebleau. So they left after the Edict of Fontainebleau.
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoSo it's still technically correct in a Mitch Hedbergian sense?
- jagged-chisel 2y agoAfter the Edict. But also after the revocation of the Edict. I suppose one could also say “After the Edict” as if “the Edict” were the period of time it was in effect. (enhancing parent comment, not arguing)
- n1b0m 2y agoI’d never heard of him before. This is why I love HN :)
- pchristensen 2y agoYou're in for a treat!
- n1b0m 2y agoYes! I’ve been watching his videos on YouTube
- zusammen 2y ago[dead]
- gunian 2y agoas a ugly person was hoping this was the inception of the ogre lives matter movement but was disappointed lol
- jhbadger 2y agoOn this site, I was thinking this would be referring to Ogres in the Steve Jackson sense of autonomous AI supertanks featured in the the classic board game (and several computer games since) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_(board_game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_(board_game)
- mock-possum 2y agoMan I feel like half of what I like so much about HN is just the coincidental things I stumble across in the comments.
- partomniscient 2y agoBelatedly relatedly: Hexagons are the bestagons.
- Imustaskforhelp 2y agoI really read it as orges and I was so confused as how it can bypass hackernews's t&c
- adamc 2y agoThis was just splendid.
- no-dr-onboard 2y agoread this as "ogress", thinking it was some new variant of postgresql. My mind has been destroyed by HN!
- drfuzzy89 2y agoThis was a really great article. This part stood out to me in particular: > But what these tales are absolutely forbidden from representing is any agent or action that falls into the social class or milieu of the people who chiefly collected and read them. So the Grimms’ own world of government employees, highly literate women, libraries and universities is perhaps the most profoundly forbidden space of the folk tale. Indeed you might even say that not including that world is what makes a tale seem folkish, rather than, say, novelish. Part of the fiction of the Volk is that there is an absolute social void between the princes, the kings, the princesses on the one hand, and the tailors, discharged soldiers, huntsmen, kitchen maids and impoverished forest dwellers on the other. I wonder why we don't see this perspective more often in modern popular fantasy. It seems that for the most part, they stick close to Tolkien or Arthurian models, primarily following the exploits of kings and knights. Even the popular fantasy authors who actively seek to subvert the genre's tropes tend to stick close to that perspective. And when we are treated to the perspective of a "common" person, they often turn out to have been born special for some reason, soon finding out they're some powerful person's lost heir or the subject of some prophecy, with the character being swept off into the world of the ruling class. Obviously, a lot of folk tales end with the commoner running off with a prince or princess, which isn't terribly dissimilar, but I don't remember Cinderella or Snow White being special beyond being pretty and charming. It may be a blind spot of my own, but I can't think of many examples of fantasy with truly common folk as the primary perspective.
- shoubidouwah 2y agoThe Sad Tale of the Brothers Grossbart is definitely one, as well as a bunch of the "big epics" like the Malazan empire / The annals of the Black Company? It may be less common than "high castles", but that is either because of opportunity cost (non-special characters do not survive well this kind of world, so their stories are either short or picaresque) or feature creep if they start from the bottom: if you want an uplifting tale, upwards mobility is needed and at some point only the king is up...
- protocolture 2y ago>It may be a blind spot of my own, but I can't think of many examples of fantasy with truly common folk as the primary perspective. How common and how fantastic? Conan is a hillman. He just becomes more accomplished over time. Fafyrd is from a frozen waste, trained as a skald. Notable only because he left his tribe interested in civilization. Vaatzes from KJ Parkers Engineer Trilogy is foreman. A really good engineer, but replaced instantly when he is banished. Sort of inverted with Saevus Corax, where the main guy is trying really hard not to be royalty, and so he scavenges dead people on battlefields for a living hoping no one will find him.
- Rygian 2y agoI wanted to cite a specific book by a great author here, but even hinting at it constitutes a major spoiler.