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Yep. They’re never going away. Blue = iMessage Green = Other It doesn’t matter if both support 100% identical feature sets, it’s gonna stay like that.
by MBCook 2y ago
Yep. They’re never going away.
Blue = iMessage
Green = Other
It doesn’t matter if both support 100% identical feature sets, it’s gonna stay like that.
- h0l0cube 2y agoAt least the false pretence would vanish if both support 100%
- MBCook 2y agoWhat false pretense? They dictate two different ways of sending messages with different capabilities.
- h0l0cube 2y agoIf they were functionally equivalent, why signal a difference? What's the benefit, you think? I'm not saying that they definitely would signal a difference, but in this hypothetical, if the color difference remained, it would be obvious why.
- zuppy 2y agobecause they can’t support the same functionality. apple would add something new, they would want no constraints to what they can do.
- h0l0cube 2y ago> apple would add something new Once again, I'm engaging with a hypothetical. Indeed this is how it would play out in reality.
- dwighttk 2y agothere's two doors through which the message can leave your phone... the blue door and the green door. (Ignoring the SMS tiny door) If the feature sets of the blue and green door happen to be the same for a time, that doesn't mean a message sent through the green door is "actually" leaving through the blue... The doors are actually different (even if the feature sets are the same (for a time))
- h0l0cube 2y agoWe were (originally) talking about a mystical magical timeline where the two standards converge. You can make another hypothetical, where they converge, but only temporarily, but that's a new flavor on the hypothetical that was first posed way way back where the thread started. I'm sick of repeating myself, so I'll leave the musing to those who are more invested.
- MBCook 2y agoBranding. It’s that simple.
- ExoticPearTree 2y ago> If they were functionally equivalent, why signal a difference? Equivalent does not mean the same. Sending an actual SMS can cost extra.
- _bin_ 2y agoit's never going to 100%. can't play 8ball with an android
- h0l0cube 2y agoNever said it would be. Just playing hypotheticals with the GGP comment
- mjlee 2y agoWhat about when either changes? Do you expect them to alternate colour schemes as each protocol plays catch up or gets more features?
- h0l0cube 2y agoI was just engaging with a hypothetical - see my other replies to siblings in this thread if you need clarification. iDevices are my daily drivers, but I don't understand all the fanboys getting triggered here
- jxramos 2y agoit does leave the door open for pointing the finger for who's at fault when text groups with OS blends get all scrambled https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255769788?answerId=260779025022&sortBy=rank&page=1#260779025022 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255769788?answerId=2607...
- cubefox 2y ago> It doesn’t matter if both support 100% identical feature sets, it’s gonna stay like that. That's completely irrelevant. The problem was (obviously!) always about the incompatibilities rather than the color.
- klabb3 2y agoNot to Google. Green bubbles were a big social shaming issue affecting the sale of Android. This is all in the US only afaik. So in other countries with a similar iPhone market share there isn’t a green bubble social stigma.
- cubefox 2y agoThat's false. The color green is irrelevant. If the Apple bubbles had been green, and the Android bubbles had been blue, still the Android bubbles would have been shamed. It was never about the color. It was because of the SMS/iMessage feature incompatibilities.
- klabb3 2y agoLet me spell it out: the arbitrary color lets you identify the ones who use Android. Some people think the reason for using Android is being poor. Others don’t want to be seen as poor, because social posturing is important to them.
- bolognafairy 2y agoSocial posturing is important to everyone. You probably just socially posture differently.
- cubefox 2y agoI don't think it has to do with poverty. There are Android phones that are as expensive as iPhones. It was just because of incompatibility.
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- bla3 2y agoReally shows how apple is only into privacy when it's self-serving.
- madeofpalk 2y agoHow does it show that? Blue bubbles don't mean privacy, and green bubbles don't mean insecure. I would presume encrypted RCS would satisfy privacy, and would remain green to indicate it doesn't support iMessage-specific features.
- bla3 2y agoBecause it leaks the device type of your messaging partner.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoiMessage is encrypted. Blue means the “SMS” was sent over iMessage and it is secure. Green means it was sent as a normal SMS. This is super helpful for non-technical people that want privacy.
- madeofpalk 2y ago> Green means it was sent as a normal SMS No it doesn't, and it would mean that even less when green messages start meaning end-to-end encrypted RCS.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoWhat does it mean then? Genuine question.
- madeofpalk 2y agoBlue means iMessage, and supports iMessage features. Green means not-iMessage and supports SMS / MMS / RCS features. Presumably when Apple rolls this out, both blue and green messages could be end-to-end encrypted. It remains to be seen whether Apple will add an indicator for RCS (and potentially iMessage) encrypted messages. I could imagine them being jerks about it and not indicating when green messages are just as secure as iMessage, or they adjust their messages that iMessage is more secure/private because Apple trusts their own key exchange more than RCS.
- permo-w 2y agodo you have evidence for this?
- MBCook 2y agoIt’s the way Apple works, and their behavior so far has been consistent. Blue bubbles are a branding thing, they wouldn’t share them with others. Then what’s the point of having the branding? They do actually indicate a difference of functionality. RCS doesn’t support iMessage apps for example, not that those get much use. But like I said, even at parity I think they’d keep the branding.
- permo-w 2y agothe issue is that it simply may not be up to them, at least in Europe. if the EU decides that keeping the blue bubbles contravenes the DMA, then the blue bubbles will go