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There are downsides to engaging and not engaging, but I’m still on team engage and waste time. Once they can’t find any true victims in a reasonable amount of

There are downsides to engaging and not engaging, but I’m still on team engage and waste time. Once they can’t find any true victims in a reasonable amount of time, the industry will disappear (or automate and remove the torture and amplify the attempts 1000x)

inetknght 2y ago
> Once they can’t find any true victims in a reasonable amount of time, the industry will disappear You're wasting more of your time than theirs. Think of it, you've already got your own answer. This is a whole industry and that implies people that work full time. How much time do you spend on this? Have you spent your whole day optimizing your workflow and answers to get an optimal response? Because they most certainly have.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  Finding out how to keep them on the line longer is part of the fun.
  - Ylpertnodi 2y ago
    ...let me pass you to my brother...
  - saghm 2y ago
    That just makes it seem like you're also exploiting the people who are forced into this, only for a different motive than the ones who forced them into it in the first place. Maybe there's a better way to entertain yourself than this?
- Teever 2y ago
  But the industry has a business model and if the margins are slim enough the model doesn't work and the industry collapses. Think about a drive through that serves three rushes in a day, people driving to work, people on theyr lunch break, and people driving home. If each rush is an hour long how many people would need to DDOS the drive through with frivolous complaints and time wasting bullshit like 'oh let me find my change, just a second... Oops I dropped it sorry, let me get that... Oh I can't open my door can you be a dear and send someone outside to get it?' to completely disrupt the entire rush and therefoe the vital flow of cash? If I spend twenty minutes on the phone with a scammer while I'm doing house chores like washing dishes and folding laundry that's 20 minutes that the scammer isn't making money. If he has a 12 hour shift that's only 36 people to completely eliminate his chance of making any revenue. How many people need to do this to eliminate the profit from this employee?
  - lurk2 2y ago
    I would have thought the chief limitation in an operation like this would be that your profits are (presumably) Pareto distributed, so 80% of profits come from 20% of victims. This would make the operation more like mining Bitcoin than serving lunches. One thing that supports your theory that the margins are slim, however, is that there are crime syndicates kidnapping people to work in these call centers. If the wages didn't represent a significant marginal cost, they wouldn't need to risk attracting international attention by kidnapping people in the first place.
    - Teever 2y ago
      It may be like bitcoin mining in that sense but either way x% less time spent with a possible mark is x% less time to take their money.

inetknght 2y ago

> Once they can’t find any true victims in a reasonable amount of time, the industry will disappear You're wasting more of your time than theirs. Think of it, you've already got your own answer. This is a whole industry and that implies people that work full time. How much time do you spend on this? Have you spent your whole day optimizing your workflow and answers to get an optimal response? Because they most certainly have.

Scoundreller 2y ago
Finding out how to keep them on the line longer is part of the fun.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  ...let me pass you to my brother...
- saghm 2y ago
  That just makes it seem like you're also exploiting the people who are forced into this, only for a different motive than the ones who forced them into it in the first place. Maybe there's a better way to entertain yourself than this?
Teever 2y ago
But the industry has a business model and if the margins are slim enough the model doesn't work and the industry collapses. Think about a drive through that serves three rushes in a day, people driving to work, people on theyr lunch break, and people driving home. If each rush is an hour long how many people would need to DDOS the drive through with frivolous complaints and time wasting bullshit like 'oh let me find my change, just a second... Oops I dropped it sorry, let me get that... Oh I can't open my door can you be a dear and send someone outside to get it?' to completely disrupt the entire rush and therefoe the vital flow of cash? If I spend twenty minutes on the phone with a scammer while I'm doing house chores like washing dishes and folding laundry that's 20 minutes that the scammer isn't making money. If he has a 12 hour shift that's only 36 people to completely eliminate his chance of making any revenue. How many people need to do this to eliminate the profit from this employee?
- lurk2 2y ago
  I would have thought the chief limitation in an operation like this would be that your profits are (presumably) Pareto distributed, so 80% of profits come from 20% of victims. This would make the operation more like mining Bitcoin than serving lunches. One thing that supports your theory that the margins are slim, however, is that there are crime syndicates kidnapping people to work in these call centers. If the wages didn't represent a significant marginal cost, they wouldn't need to risk attracting international attention by kidnapping people in the first place.
  - Teever 2y ago
    It may be like bitcoin mining in that sense but either way x% less time spent with a possible mark is x% less time to take their money.