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Pressure grows to hold secret Apple data privacy hearing in public
- amelius 2y ago[flagged]
- itscrush 2y agoCertainly not the UK, they're spearheading much of the privacy problem.
- oneplane 2y agoThere is no silicon for useful laptops that isn't US-controlled or China-controlled. On top of that, there is no ISA or reference CPU that isn't US-based. In the future, we might have RISC-V, but right now, we don't. You can get laptops with Intel, AMD, ARM or IBM, and that's about it. All of the chips that are fast enough to be useful are US-based (in design and manufacturing instructions, but Asia-based in physical construction). Say you'd be more interested in something that looks/feels like it's not from the US, you are pretty much restricted to stuff that's from ODMs in Asia. But it's the same hardware from the same production facilities, running the same firmware and operating systems.
- Havoc 2y ago>On top of that, there is no ISA or reference CPU that isn't US-based. ARM HQ is in Cambridge & owned by Japan (Softbank group)
- oneplane 2y agoI suppose that's true. My mind was already on the likes of Qualcomm, Apple, Ampere and Broadcom but the base ISA and some of the reference designs used in public are indeed pure ARM (the company). Ideally there'd be a player like Fujitsu (also an ARM licensee), they can do an entire laptop where only the manufacturing and software is not in-house (they don't have the capacity to do that AFAIK). If you then slap some coreboot (or U-Boot) and linux on it, you'd be pretty close to a much less US-attached laptop.
- robin_reala 2y agoYou can get pure(ish)-China laptops if you’re willing to go that far to get away from the US. Hauwei have a range of laptops using HiSense ARM cores: https://qingyun.huawei.com/ https://qingyun.huawei.com/
- oneplane 2y agoDidn't Samsung try to do the same? That'd be a Korean option if amelius has that in scope. Unless they are using Snapdragon for those of course.
- ohgr 2y agoThe government or other parties will come and take your data wherever you are without a moment's notice. There is no defence against that. The objective should be to make that as hard as possible by not putting it somewhere you make it easy for them to do so without your knowledge or without legal due process. And that is NOT in some cloud.
- rightbyte 2y agoYour own government is usually the biggest threat to your privacy. And namedropping the UK as some gov you would prefer from a privacy point of view is silly.
- whynotmaybe 2y agoI don't have any gov app installed on my phone, though it came with the whole Google suite, Facebook and Instagram installed. And I can't remove it unless I root it. If you're in a country where the gov is a threat to your privacy, you're in a dictatorship. A democratic gov does not really care a lot about personal data, it only wants tax money. A private company cares a lot about personal data because each bit of personal information is sellable to anyone interested.
- vladvasiliu 2y agoDidn't the UK have an issue with Apple the other day, trying to get some "backdoor" to icloud? Which prompted Apple to say they'd remove E2E encryption for those users? How's that tax related and not caring about personal data? Does that make the UK a dictatorship?
- rightbyte 2y ago> If you're in a country where the gov is a threat to your privacy, you're in a dictatorship. Really? Nothing to hide? Any practical democracy does strange stuff.
- FreebasingLLMs 2y ago[dead]
- londons_explore 2y ago> Your own government is usually the biggest threat to your privacy. Few people think of this. More should.
- vvchvb 2y ago
- Angostura 2y agoExcept, in this case you have a US company that I honestly believe takes privacy seriously, fighting to prevent that stance being undermined by the UK government
- redserk 2y agoThe problem is if you want to back up the content of your device securely. Without ADP, you’re stuck sending it into iCloud in a way that allows a government to access the data. If you wanted to avoid potential prying eyes, you can’t backup the device over the internet to a storage location you own. You can sort of do this with photos, but it’s absolutely a kludge. Apple is only one US law away from completely shutting down Advanced Data Protection for everyone.
- danaris 2y ago> Apple is only one US law away from completely shutting down Advanced Data Protection for everyone. The problem with this is that it's universally applicable. Any cloud service that has end-to-end encryption today can be forced to break it if the jurisdiction in which they're based passes a law requiring it. "So use a self-hosted open-source cloud backup system with a VPS?" Not a scalable solution. I genuinely do not believe there is a scalable solution to this problem. All we can do is either pick the service we trust will remain safe the longest, or DIY it for ourselves and maybe those closest to us. And fight at the ballot box to end the era of ever-expanding government surveillance of everyone's digital data.
- jacksnipe 2y agoThat is, by definition, not e2e encrypted.
- danaris 2y agoSorry, which "that" are you referring to? If you mean this: > So use a self-hosted open-source cloud backup system with a VPS? then why not? It just needs to be set up to encrypt before upload, and decrypt after download, and have some means of sharing keys to other clients. Unless I'm being dumb and missing something?
- traceroute66 2y ago> laptop of a non-US origin soon Maybe NitroPad[1] from Nitrokey (Germany) ? I don't think Fujitsu Siemens make PCs/Laptops any more, only servers. But that would have been an option as their factory is in Germany. [1] https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop?&search=nitropad https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop?&search=nitropad
- amelius 2y agoThanks, and glad to see a comment that actually answers my question :) rather than telling me things like who Europeans should or should not trust.
- ThePhysicist 2y agoMan, this is really the worst case we've been fearing in Germany as well, i.e. an overzealous government that wants access to the master decryption keys of any app using end-to-end encryption so they can backdoor them anytime they like. I really hope they have enough common sense left to reverse their course, and I have to say kudos to Apple for taking this fight.
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- chaz6 2y agoPerhaps there is an app that makes using one-time pads simple. It is really the only way to be reasonably certain that your communication is protected. With storage so abundant it is feasible to share a 100MiB pad for each contact which should be enough for a lifetime of messages.
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- MattPalmer1086 2y agoEnd to end encryption achieves the same thing without having to share large one time pads. The only people with your key are the people on the ends.
- irenmroma 2y ago[dead]