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Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
- oblio 2y agoTesla post 2020 is an interesting experiment in automaking. I'm fairly convinced that if the US wouldn't protect it's internal markets so much, both Apple and Tesla would probably be gone in maximum 10 years. Maybe not gone as much as greatly diminished.
- poincaredisk 2y agoI get Tesla, it's a controversial company, but Apple?
- llamaimperative 2y agoTesla would be dead in the water actually because its products are shit compared to what’s available today. They had a massive lead where a sub-Corolla quality build could sell for $60k+ because EV, and squandered it.
- actionfromafar 2y agoCorolla is pretty good.
- llamaimperative 2y agoIt’s excellent for its price point! Not so much for the $75-$120k Tesla price tag.
- wqaatwt 2y agoIsn’t Tesla’s price point closer to $40-50k though?
- llamaimperative 2y agoNot the Model S, which was the "early lead" that they squandered
- oblio 2y agoHow many Chinese phone brands do you see sold in the US (Apple stronghold)? Go in the rest of the world in a phone shop and check out what they have in display (Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, etc). https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/smartphone-market-share And this with none of those companies selling in the US (I imagine due to legal reasons such as tariffs or related).
- immibis 2y agoAllegedly, the Cybertruck is the first car Musk was involved in designing. All the previous Tesla models were variants of the designs produced before Musk bought the company.
- FrojoS 2y agoWrong. The first Tesla, the Roadster, was an existing design by Lotus [1]. All Tesla designs since, including the Cybertruck, have been led by Franz von Holzhausen. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(first_generation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(first_generati... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Holzhausen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Holzhausen
- sjsdaiuasgdia 2y agoLater than it was supposed to be. More expensive than it was supposed to be. Not as much range as it was supposed to have. Not the exoskeleton design it was said to be. Not bulletproof like it was claimed to be. The whole thing is a pile of engineering WTF. The enormous wiper that leaves a huge amount of the windshield untouched, when it manages to work at all. The wheel support structures from other Tesla models being reused in a much heavier vehicle, leading to all those photos we've seen of Cybertrucks with snapped off wheels. The headlight "shelf" that collects snow and blocks the headlights. The air suspension system that takes forever to adjust when it's not failing altogether. The glue, oh the glue, so much glue. It's just so uniquely bad!
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- baxtr 2y agoRe Apple: How is the US protecting its market against other smartphone manufacturers?
- guappa 2y agoCheck how many people have iphones in europe compared to usa
- milesrout 2y agoThat is because iPhones are better and the US is much richer than Europe on average.
- jakupovic 2y agoThanks for your opinion. Oh forgot, lol. Markets are efficient and if the Europeans and rest of the world are not married to a US company(Apple) that doesn't mean the other product is inferior, the Samsung phone for example.
- drstewart 2y agoNow explain why iPhone is more popular in Denmark, Norway, Monaco, Andorra, Iceland, Sweden, Japan, Switzerland than they are even in the US. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-market-share-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma... Efficient markets at work, right?
- guappa 2y agoBecause markets aren't efficient. Certainly it's not income related; compare germany and lithuania, or italy and albania.
- wqaatwt 2y agoIt might be more popular in those countries but backing these claims using random maps that are clearly incorrect doesn’t really do much to strengthen your argument.
- ben_w 2y agoTesla is on paper 20x overvalued even against other American car manufacturers like Ford (Tesla P/E ~120, Ford ~6), and I don't see many American cars being highly competitive against Chinese brands whose premium range starts around where American brands put their budget range. Apple, not so clear. Always expensive, but in the sense of only having a premium range and not catering to budget markets, they're priced like premium Android phones. While I see legal and political risks to Apple, I don't see market risks.
- smcl 2y agoWhenever I talked about this with Tesla fans they kept parroting this line about Tesla being "a battery company that also makes cars" or similar. I can understand that this (having some non-car products and a charging network) grants them an advantage of sorts, but they're by far and away the most valuable company by market cap, while having a fraction of the sales of companies like Toyota, GM, Honda etc. It's like the market is expecting Tesla to explode in sales in the coming years and I can't see it, not just because people are turning on Elon Musk but because I don't know if they can even build enough cars to meet that expected valuation if that demand was actually there.
- nprateem 2y agoPeople who can't think for themselves will happily parrot anything they've heard to mask their ignorance.
- ben_w 2y agoMoving to a new country with a different national language has given me a direct personal appreciation for what Dunning Kruger feels like from the inside. Some may parrot for tribal reasons, but there's a huge number who have a superficial knowledge and it simply doesn't occur to them how deep their ignorance is — tribalism is one way critics are equal to fans in Musk's case (and not just that Musk's fans are parroting his shallow criticisms of everyone else), but the DK part applies to all of us. Even me pointing at P/E ratios here is merely one step up the ladder from looking at the share price, it's not a deep analysis, just a santiy check.
- belter 2y agoEven the most fanatic Tesla fanbois, have given up on trying to justify anymore the absurd valuation as a car company.... They are always watching forwards.... :-) Now it's all about the value of the non existing...but coming soon robotics...And coming soon... but non existing, self-driving taxis. Watch and see, how rational adults, can dream on while totally awake: https://youtu.be/HTesFrD7_Zw?t=18 https://youtu.be/HTesFrD7_Zw?t=18
- api 2y agoApple, I think, would lose market share but would live. It would probably make them better since it would be a nice boot in the ass. But their products are at least good, if a bit overpriced and with more rough spots than some will admit. Tesla would be dead the instant BYD hit the US shore. Total death. Like chapter 11 and fire sale.
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- junon 2y agoThere's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. You're either sick or you're not. If you're sick you don't go to work. If you're sick more than 3 days, you get a doctor's note. If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed. Ultimately, you're not penalized for being sick. But your employer can still check that you're actually sick, just to be sure. I'm sure many people are taking time off of Tesla work due to stress, which is a valid reason to get a doctor's note here.
- mschild 2y ago> more than a month or something 6 weeks. > But your employer can still check that you're actually sick. Within limits, yes. Tesla in Germany went way beyond that though. Private detectives and managers showing up at employees houses to check they're actually sick. They're also holding back the salaries of sick employees and are pressuring sick employees to give up their medical privilege and share personal health information with them. Highly unethical and very likely illegal in some instances.
- iszomer 2y agoI imagine Tesla has to follow the rules and regulations in accordance with German law, the same as Tesla's division in China.
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- bamboozled 2y agoIs the trim required for it to be 'bulletproof' though?
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- kotaKat 2y agoIf only Tesla had figured out what the "VHB" meant in 3M VHB...
- rich_sasha 2y agoTo preempt Tesla stans: surely this can be fixed with an OTA update, which makes it totally not serious. Tesla-haters again making a mountain out of a molehill.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoHe will take us away, on a spaceship, to a shining city on a hill - on another planet. Humanity shall reach escape velocity from its problems, we will have StarTreks, we will go on a adventure! You goto believe, that the future will be bright, if you do not believe in that.. then it all comes apart at the seems.
- wnevets 2y agoHow about a trim that allows it to drive in more than 4 inches of snow?
- smcl 2y agoBy all accounts this vehicle is a failure. I suspect it wasn't actually intended to be the core to Tesla's future though, just an "epic" little novelty treat for Elon and some hardcore fanbois. But I am curious what their future is supposed to look like - were they expecting to grow based on sales of the existing (four?) models or do they have a new model in the pipeline?
- intrasight 2y agoAlso curious what is their long-term future as collectibles. This vehicle is emblematic of the question. With cars and especially EVs being proprietary software on wheels, how collectible are they? In another era, the cyber truck would definitely be collectible.
- seattle_spring 2y agoWhy would it be any more collectible than, say, a Pontiac Aztek?
- joakleaf 2y agoIn my opinion, this is the primary problem with Tesla (no new models?) and future directions. Tesla has promised a new Tesla Roadster for 5+ years now. There is no sign of it. Cybertruck also took ~5 years from reveal to release. Not sure where the Tesla semi is. There has been some mention of a low cost EV, but I don't think we've seen sign of that yet. Last I heard was that it was cancelled. So, given that Tesla usually uses around 3-5 years from reveal to actual production and release of a new vehicle, they are probably not going to sell any new models the next 3-5 years. Maybe updated versions of the existing line-up (like the new model Y). Obviously, last year Musk revealed the "Robovan" (a somewhat odd self-driving minibus) and the "Robotaxi" (a two-seater self-driving taxi without a driving wheel). Both of these depend on FSD living up to its name first, and neither seem to be intended for "normal" people. During the last Quarterly Earnings call Musk heavily pushed the idea that Optimus (Tesla's still in development biped robot) would increase the company's market cap by 10x. So it seems Musk thinks the future for Tesla is in the field of biped robots rather than vehicles. Musk also claimed that a Tesla would start FSD taxi-service in Texas this summer -- I find that timeline doubtful, given that it takes time to set up the infrastructure for a "taxi" company. In any case, self-driving taxis is another possibly future direction for Tesla.
- stephc_int13 2y agoTesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
- gmac 2y ago> Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons Yes, and those political/cultural reasons are: let's not subsidise people who repeatedly and in public make unambiguous Nazi salutes. TBH it would be nice if those sentiments were spread a bit more widely than Europe.
- belter 2y agoIt would sell great in Hungary...if they could afford it...
- belter 2y ago"Elon Musk praised Viktor Orbán – and not just any way" - https://mandiner.hu/belfold/2025/02/orban-viktort-meltatta-elon-musk-nem-is-akarhogyan https://mandiner.hu/belfold/2025/02/orban-viktort-meltatta-e...
- pyrale 2y agoThe sad part is that his nazi salutes don’t even top the list...
- mytailorisrich 2y agoAbsolutely, people in Europe want nothing to do with the Nazis. That's why they drive Volkswagen.
- mavhc 2y agoSeems like every car company that wasn't electric only was polluting us more on purpose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal so they're all evil
- FollowingTheDao 2y agoI will bet that that did not take into account that the bonding substrates have different coefficients of thermal expansion. Bad engineers only look at the glue, and not what the glue is holding together. But wow, why do people like the following put up with such bad design and engineering and still praise the company? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8FC4yF_68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8FC4yF_68
- api 2y agoBut the entire world is California and Texas, right? No need to worry about extreme temperature swings. I live in Ohio and have been LOLing at watching stainless steel Cybertrucks drive around completely covered in road salt. That’s gonna work great.
- FollowingTheDao 2y agoGod, yes. Every time I see a Cybertruck in NC they all look, well, just dirty. And not like a normal dirty. It is hard to explain, but the aesthetics just do not sit right in my artists eye.
- chillingeffect 2y agoI finally figured it out the other day: The Tesla cyber truck is pointing backwards !that is why it looks so odd. In most vehicles the long sloping part is the windshield in front and the steep slope is the rear window. But the Tesla cyber truck turns that around and thus it appears to be driving backwards everywhere. Adding to the backwards illusion is the rounded mid-level panel where the grill on a normal car would be and the headlights are: On most vehicles that headlights section on the front is angular and the also have a rounded section on the back of the at that level. Is there are many more quote Unquote Interesting features. For example on most vehicles the roof is flat and that gives an indication of how much headspace is in the vehicle. But the cybertruck inverts this with a peaked roof that suggests it has very little headspace. That combined with the backwards ness mentioned above Transmits a message to an observer of great discomfort when sitting inside the vehicle. Now that may be unfair and it may be quite comfortable inside the vehicle but the outward facing shape suggests the opposite. It makes it feel very constrange and uncomfortable to look at and I suspect this is a major factor in people's dislike for the vehicle's appearance. As soon as they see it their mind responds to the shape and imagines what it is like to be inside it. That shape makes them feel uncomfortable.
- hereme888 2y agoBesides Tesla's being the best EV's at their price point based on every real-life conversation with Tesla owners, at least they pause deliveries and address issues, unlike many other car manufacturers. Tell me of any other EV truck with anywhere near the same real-life mileage and features, and look at all the EV trucks that are actual failures, like the electric F-150.
- seattle_spring 2y agoR1T is better than a Cybertruck in pretty much every way. It also doesn't look mind-bogglingly stupid to 99% of the world.
- lawgimenez 2y agoI'm not a car guy, based on the article the trims are glued. My question, is gluing stuffs normal to other car manufacturers for materials like the cantrail trim?
- looofooo0 2y agoIf not screwed, I think most things are snap fit these day.
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- claude_thinking 2y agoWhenever I see a Cybertruck, I think it must have been a kid who was born too late to buy a DeLorean, he grew up and saw another stainless steel vehicle and said, “I’m in!” Why not just buy a DeLorean? A Cybertruck is a like a sketch of a DeLorean made in 3.5 seconds by someone in a hurry to leave the bar. If you want one, they make new ones: https://delorean.com/ https://delorean.com/
- bamboozled 2y agoDamn, that's a nice car.
- vinyl7 2y agoThat delorean ended up being a scam. They took the money and ran
- rasz 2y agoDeLoreans look fantastic, but drive terribly and are a nightmare to be inside or own. Cybertrucks might fall apart from the outside and nazi association making it a nightmare to own, but they drive fantastic. Think spaceship tank with instant acceleration, a 11 second quarter mile brick https://www.motortrend.com/features/quickest-fastest-pickup-trucks/ https://www.motortrend.com/features/quickest-fastest-pickup-...
- qwertox 2y agoThere's a video embedded in the article which points out the problems. But there's also a recent follow-up video where he tells what Tesla had to fix, and it's pretty concerning. It was more than just those panels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8FC4yF_68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT8FC4yF_68
- FollowingTheDao 2y agoI appreciate that the kid in the video has a personalized license plate that says "NO TAX", because I am sure, if he gets his wish, that he will make a video quietly complaining about how the privately owned roads he drives on are disintegrating during cold weather and make bank on youtube ad money. As I noted earlier, this might be more than the glue, but that they did not take into account that the bonding substrates have different coefficients of thermal expansion. So next spring, during these wild temperature variation, they will start popping off again. The trucks, being released in November 2023, have only experienced maybe one spring season in the northern latitudes. Most initial sales were in 2Q of 2024 so they did not see a real temperature flux.
- bamboozled 2y agoThat video...it's amazing that someone would put up with it. I would seriously be demanding a refund.
- nrjames 2y agoMusk and Tesla could have dominated the US EV market for years to come had he stuck with the core clean energy message and not surrounded himself with sycophants and publicly acted like a racist jerk. It’s like a modern retelling of The Emperor’s New Clothes.
- anon22981 2y agoNot the US but most EV markets, apart from maybe eventually asian markets. Tesla and Musk had a crazy amount of goodwill and pretty much everyone I know was ”oh look, it’s a Tesla!” early on. Now every is more like ”oh look, it’s a Tesla..”
- faefox 2y agoSomeone described the Cybertruck's build quality as "BMW prices for a Temu truck" and y'know what, I'm not sure they're that far off.