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Apple has been really against this one, but you can now have p*rn apps on your iPhone in the EU. Which I think is great, because why should I be restricted in t

Apple has been really against this one, but you can now have p*rn apps on your iPhone in the EU. Which I think is great, because why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation?

probably_wrong 2y ago
> why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation? I would argue that, while it's true that some of your rights are restricted by corporations, others are just there waiting for you to exercise them. Use your freedom, take chances, write the word "porn" in HN without fear. Otherwise there's no point in demanding freedoms that we're too afraid to use.
- fundatus 2y ago
  Good point, I wasn't sure if writing "porn" would be flagged by some kind of badwords filter, so I didn't bother, but apparently it's no problem over here :-)
  - pjc50 2y ago
    No badwords filter here, just good old fashioned handcrafted moderation by dang and artisinal flagging by individual users. You don't have to resort to weird euphemisms like "unalive".
briandear 2y ago
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- michh 2y ago
  I mean, if protesting for the Palestinian cause can get your green card revoked, I don't think America has any moral high ground on the topic of free speech anymore.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    There's an enormous difference between expelling a foreigner and imprisoning a citizen. America absolutely has the upper hand in free speech. In Europe you will get sentenced for blaspheming against the Quran. Edit: That's why the Quran burnings in Sweden was such a big deal. It was one of the countries who hadn't outlawed blasphemy against Islam. Of course any blasphemy against Christianity is perfectly legal in Europe and strongly encouraged.
    - pona-a 2y ago
      You are facing a constitutional crisis right now, something most EU members can say they do not. > Khalil called his lawyer, Amy Greer, from the building's lobby. She spoke over the phone with one of the ICE agents, who told her they were acting on State Department orders to revoke Khalil’s student visa. Greer said when she informed the agent that Khalil was a permanent resident of the U.S. in possession of a green card, the agent responded they would revoke the green card instead. When Greer said she needed to see a warrant before Khalil could be detained, the agent hung up. Abdalla said they were not shown a warrant and that "within minutes, they had handcuffed Mahmoud, took him out into the street and forced him into an unmarked car". A Columbia spokesperson declined to say whether, before the arrest, the university had received a warrant for the ICE agents to access property the university owned. The spokesperson also declined to comment on the arrest. > On March 9, Greer said she was uncertain of Khalil's whereabouts, noting the possibility that he could be as far away as Louisiana. Abdalla, who sought to visit him at a detention center in New Jersey, was informed that he was not there. Khalil is detained at the LaSalle Detention Center in Jena, Louisiana. [0] Without appropriate warrants or being accused of a tangible crime in the court of law, a permanent USA resident has been detained, while being denied his right to speak with his lawyer for a significant part of his detention, with the post-hoc justification being his engagement in "anti-American", though not illegal, activity, ignoring claims of monetary ties with terrorist orgs made on national TV without being able to provide any corroboration when pressured. Let's ignore political affiliations, who's on what team, and who you're rooting for. Applying abstraction, replace America with "Country X" and you see, plain as day, this as an attempt at silencing unfavorable speech. As a Ukrainian, sharing a language, geography, and personal connections across the border with Russia, I can tell you with certainty: this is how "disappearing" someone looks like. The target does not matter; the "enemies of people" set has a funny tendency to expand, starting from those for whom the least will stand up. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil
- kristiandupont 2y ago
  Right, porn causes trafficking while hate speech is so-called and the worst that can happen is that some people get offended. Yours is a political standpoint, not an ideological one. Which is fair, but don't pretend it's not.
  - bobajeff 2y ago
    Except in the cases where hate speech calls for violence. (See Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines)
    - immibis 2y ago
      I think Kristian knows this and was writing sarcastically.
      - bobajeff 2y ago
        Oh, it never would have occurred to me that that was a sarcastic remark.
        kristiandupont 2y ago
        Apologies, I should have added the marker.
- thrance 2y ago
  Such bad faith. Videos of people fucking are bad and moral to censor but neonazi memes must be protected? That's the twisted logic that is currently leading your venerable democracy to its death.
- lucumo 2y ago
  > Freedom of porn but not freedom of speech Interesting take. Why would porn be less deserving of freedom of speech than other forms of speech? Sounds to me you only believe in freedom of speech you like.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  "Not opposed to food in theory, but its connection with obesity and bad labor practices is undeniable so the quantifiable harm it causes is much greater than the hypothetical harm of being offended by a meme or so-called hate speech."
IshKebab 2y ago
It's ok, you can say porn on the internet.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  That's the sway of Bytedwnce working there. You'll see some fairly odd words censored over the net due to TikTok.

probably_wrong 2y ago

> why should I be restricted in the use of my own device by the moral code of an American corporation? I would argue that, while it's true that some of your rights are restricted by corporations, others are just there waiting for you to exercise them. Use your freedom, take chances, write the word "porn" in HN without fear. Otherwise there's no point in demanding freedoms that we're too afraid to use.

fundatus 2y ago
Good point, I wasn't sure if writing "porn" would be flagged by some kind of badwords filter, so I didn't bother, but apparently it's no problem over here :-)
- pjc50 2y ago
  No badwords filter here, just good old fashioned handcrafted moderation by dang and artisinal flagging by individual users. You don't have to resort to weird euphemisms like "unalive".

briandear 2y ago

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michh 2y ago
I mean, if protesting for the Palestinian cause can get your green card revoked, I don't think America has any moral high ground on the topic of free speech anymore.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  There's an enormous difference between expelling a foreigner and imprisoning a citizen. America absolutely has the upper hand in free speech. In Europe you will get sentenced for blaspheming against the Quran. Edit: That's why the Quran burnings in Sweden was such a big deal. It was one of the countries who hadn't outlawed blasphemy against Islam. Of course any blasphemy against Christianity is perfectly legal in Europe and strongly encouraged.
  - pona-a 2y ago
    You are facing a constitutional crisis right now, something most EU members can say they do not. > Khalil called his lawyer, Amy Greer, from the building's lobby. She spoke over the phone with one of the ICE agents, who told her they were acting on State Department orders to revoke Khalil’s student visa. Greer said when she informed the agent that Khalil was a permanent resident of the U.S. in possession of a green card, the agent responded they would revoke the green card instead. When Greer said she needed to see a warrant before Khalil could be detained, the agent hung up. Abdalla said they were not shown a warrant and that "within minutes, they had handcuffed Mahmoud, took him out into the street and forced him into an unmarked car". A Columbia spokesperson declined to say whether, before the arrest, the university had received a warrant for the ICE agents to access property the university owned. The spokesperson also declined to comment on the arrest. > On March 9, Greer said she was uncertain of Khalil's whereabouts, noting the possibility that he could be as far away as Louisiana. Abdalla, who sought to visit him at a detention center in New Jersey, was informed that he was not there. Khalil is detained at the LaSalle Detention Center in Jena, Louisiana. [0] Without appropriate warrants or being accused of a tangible crime in the court of law, a permanent USA resident has been detained, while being denied his right to speak with his lawyer for a significant part of his detention, with the post-hoc justification being his engagement in "anti-American", though not illegal, activity, ignoring claims of monetary ties with terrorist orgs made on national TV without being able to provide any corroboration when pressured. Let's ignore political affiliations, who's on what team, and who you're rooting for. Applying abstraction, replace America with "Country X" and you see, plain as day, this as an attempt at silencing unfavorable speech. As a Ukrainian, sharing a language, geography, and personal connections across the border with Russia, I can tell you with certainty: this is how "disappearing" someone looks like. The target does not matter; the "enemies of people" set has a funny tendency to expand, starting from those for whom the least will stand up. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil
kristiandupont 2y ago
Right, porn causes trafficking while hate speech is so-called and the worst that can happen is that some people get offended. Yours is a political standpoint, not an ideological one. Which is fair, but don't pretend it's not.
- bobajeff 2y ago
  Except in the cases where hate speech calls for violence. (See Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines)
  - immibis 2y ago
    I think Kristian knows this and was writing sarcastically.
    - bobajeff 2y ago
      Oh, it never would have occurred to me that that was a sarcastic remark.
      - kristiandupont 2y ago
        Apologies, I should have added the marker.
thrance 2y ago
Such bad faith. Videos of people fucking are bad and moral to censor but neonazi memes must be protected? That's the twisted logic that is currently leading your venerable democracy to its death.
lucumo 2y ago
> Freedom of porn but not freedom of speech Interesting take. Why would porn be less deserving of freedom of speech than other forms of speech? Sounds to me you only believe in freedom of speech you like.
shadowgovt 2y ago
"Not opposed to food in theory, but its connection with obesity and bad labor practices is undeniable so the quantifiable harm it causes is much greater than the hypothetical harm of being offended by a meme or so-called hate speech."

IshKebab 2y ago

It's ok, you can say porn on the internet.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
That's the sway of Bytedwnce working there. You'll see some fairly odd words censored over the net due to TikTok.