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The US needs to fix its government anyway. If they cannot, nothing else matters.

scarface_74 2y ago
Don’t forget that the pearl clutching is on both sides. It was Tipper Gore that thought the world would come to an end because of rap music. Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.
- kadoban 2y ago
  The current regime is in a fascist power grab and you're both-sidsing some random-ass second lady from a generation ago? Yeah wonder why we can't have effective government. > Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary. Let's stop giving corporations all of the power and get a government that actually works for us.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    It doesn’t matter. You should never trust the government with more power than absolutely necessary. Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. This is the government people voted for. The government has a “monopoly on violence”. No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government.
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    - kadoban 2y ago
      > No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government. Avoid Tesla, and give me the steps you follow. > Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. Yeah they might do equally egregious things like: 1) staging a fascist takeover of the government 2) a powerless idiot's idiot wife might dislike a music genre 30 years ago The problem isn't government, it's a populace that is alergic to useful government.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        You’re overindexing on Trump. The US being a police state with the highest incarceration rate in the world, police corruption, civil forfeiture, etc didn’t start with Trump. Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government? Why would you want to give a government with the history of the US more power? Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are. Why would I want to give the government more control? Do you think the Democrats would be any more hands off when it comes to content?
        kadoban 2y ago
        > Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are. I blame, primarily, the corporate takeover of government, punctuated by Citizen's United and everything that came after, and a couple of generations of a Republican party who have no goal other than setting out to prove that government is the enemy to take the heat off of their corporate masters. > Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government? I already did: avoid Tesla, show me how it's done. You can't, because the asshole in charge bought enough of the government to be in control. That's what happens when you have corporations with unchecked power, which is the inevitible conclusion of a powerless government. You think you give the corporations all of the money and they're going to be bound by some tiny neutered government? No, they'll just buy it and then do what they want.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        > I blame, primarily, the corporate takeover of government, punctuated by Citizen's United and everything that came after Try again, Trump famously didn’t have much corporate backing in 2016. Corporations wanted a standard Republican. He didn’t have any more money than the DNC. He is what the majority of the American people wanted. > You think you give the corporations all of the money and they're going to be bound by some tiny neutered government? Again, tell me how a corporation can shoot me with impunity, take my property without due process, literally take away my freedom or stop me because I “fit the description” or look like I don’t belong in a neghborhood where I know I my income was twice the median income in the county? You worry about some theoretical abstract corporate power, I worry about jack booted thugs with the full force of the government behind them

Don’t forget that the pearl clutching is on both sides. It was Tipper Gore that thought the world would come to an end because of rap music. Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.

kadoban 2y ago
The current regime is in a fascist power grab and you're both-sidsing some random-ass second lady from a generation ago? Yeah wonder why we can't have effective government. > Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary. Let's stop giving corporations all of the power and get a government that actually works for us.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  It doesn’t matter. You should never trust the government with more power than absolutely necessary. Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. This is the government people voted for. The government has a “monopoly on violence”. No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government.
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  - kadoban 2y ago
    > No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government. Avoid Tesla, and give me the steps you follow. > Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like. Yeah they might do equally egregious things like: 1) staging a fascist takeover of the government 2) a powerless idiot's idiot wife might dislike a music genre 30 years ago The problem isn't government, it's a populace that is alergic to useful government.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      You’re overindexing on Trump. The US being a police state with the highest incarceration rate in the world, police corruption, civil forfeiture, etc didn’t start with Trump. Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government? Why would you want to give a government with the history of the US more power? Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are. Why would I want to give the government more control? Do you think the Democrats would be any more hands off when it comes to content?
      - kadoban 2y ago
        > Trump was elected fair and square. If you want to blame anyone - blame Americans. Despite the bullshit that the Democrats spout about “this isn’t who we are”. This is exactly who we are. I blame, primarily, the corporate takeover of government, punctuated by Citizen's United and everything that came after, and a couple of generations of a Republican party who have no goal other than setting out to prove that government is the enemy to take the heat off of their corporate masters. > Tell me one corporation that you can’t get away from? Now tell me how you avoid an over powerful government? I already did: avoid Tesla, show me how it's done. You can't, because the asshole in charge bought enough of the government to be in control. That's what happens when you have corporations with unchecked power, which is the inevitible conclusion of a powerless government. You think you give the corporations all of the money and they're going to be bound by some tiny neutered government? No, they'll just buy it and then do what they want.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        > I blame, primarily, the corporate takeover of government, punctuated by Citizen's United and everything that came after Try again, Trump famously didn’t have much corporate backing in 2016. Corporations wanted a standard Republican. He didn’t have any more money than the DNC. He is what the majority of the American people wanted. > You think you give the corporations all of the money and they're going to be bound by some tiny neutered government? Again, tell me how a corporation can shoot me with impunity, take my property without due process, literally take away my freedom or stop me because I “fit the description” or look like I don’t belong in a neghborhood where I know I my income was twice the median income in the county? You worry about some theoretical abstract corporate power, I worry about jack booted thugs with the full force of the government behind them