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Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings, this feels like a major misstep for a company that should prioritize neutrality. It mak

Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings, this feels like a major misstep for a company that should prioritize neutrality. It makes me seriously question where Porkbun stands. It's also really bad timing, given that Porkbun's website at the time of writing appears to have been hacked, and is serving an invalid certificate.

its-summertime 2y ago
Do you have any more info on the invalid certificate?
- fenkett 2y ago
  All I could find was this reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/PorkBun/comments/1jash9f/porkbun_hacked/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PorkBun/comments/1jash9f/porkbun_ha... Edit for clarification, Porkbun loads fine for me, saw nothing abnormal there.
- onlygoose 2y ago
  I got served with an invalid certificate too, just for one hit, then the site loaded normally. Haven’t made a screenshot, but the certificate was issued by crewai dot com.
xyst 2y ago
Haven’t heard of any controversial political leanings in Proton Mail. Only controversy I remember was this incident where PM was compelled by govt to release IP address of one of its users — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280689
gruez 2y ago
>Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings ??? Explain? >It makes me seriously question where Porkbun stands. It's a cross selling partnership. Porkbun is referring its customers to use proton for mail hosting instead of fastmail or whatever. I'm not sure how that implies alignment of politics.
yieldcrv 2y ago
I had to look it up, the “controversy” is that the CEO of Proton used his official proton twitter account to be excited about the US government appointment of someone that is likely to pursue antitrust sanctions against Big Tech. Fast Forward to now, this is true against Microsoft. He was also amused at Big Tech CEOs kissing up to Trump due to this specific threat of their monopolistic nature. The CEO removed their posts and the company reaffirmed that was not in line with the neutral stance. Vicariously invested people act like anyone that finds something beneficial in this administration is supposed to be ostracized. And that even if the CEO had posted this on a personal account, “accountability” is needed and should affect everything he is a part of and benefits from, in order to cause financial pain, I think forever? I’m not sure what people want or expect, it doesn't feel fleshed out
- noirbot 2y ago
  The CEO posted something, and then the official Proton account also followed up with a multi-post writeup of how democrats were all captured by big tech as if the appointed person in question wasn't a former tech lobbyist. I don't think it should follow them forever, but for a company a lot of people are looking to to protect them against US government intrusion, picking this time specifically to @ mention Donald Trump and praise him appointing a big tech lobbyist and then have official company account defend him is certainly a bad look even if it mostly got deleted. Things like email security and VPNs are 99% a business of "do you trust this company to defend you against a nation-state as best they can" and injecting themselves into what, for them, is international politics at very least shows questionable judgement. If it was a post now about the action against Microsoft, sure. But preemptively praising someone's appointment feels very "kissing the ring" in a way that I don't want my trusted security company to be doing.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - WithinReason 2y ago
    to quote the CEO: Second, regarding the message that was mistakenly posted from Proton's Reddit account, that message was not approved to be posted. I was unaware that it was posted, and I asked for it to be removed as soon as I saw it. We apologize for this failure in internal controls.
rendaw 2y ago
People have been recommending porkbun here hard, but I tried them based on that and the site crashed (503!) when I had symbols in my password! This wouldn't surprise me, given their engineering abilities, and I'd be terrified to leave anything critical in their hands.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  I use them for all my domains, albeit with a passkey for my account. My domains are bought 10 years into the future though, so I rarely login.
- chneu 2y ago
  I tried finding a reason to use Porkbun over something like namecheap and I couldn't. The porkbun UI is just barebones, it isn't better than anything else. Porkbun's prices are equal to or higher than most registrars. I don't see configuration options in porkbun that I can't utilize with other registrars/dns hosts. It seems like maybe porkbun has good customer service? I've had that elsewhere though, so again not a huge benefit for me. Support for domains isn't something I've ever really needed though. I don't really understand why people are recommending porkbun like they are.
  - KronisLV 2y ago
    I use Namecheap for most of my domains, it quite sucks. I will admit that the DDNS functionality is nice (even supported by ddclient out of the box, if you ever need that), the selection of domains and everything else is as you'd expect, but the UI feels really clunky and is almost always slow for me. I did briefly use Porkbun and have to say that the minimalist UI that actually loads fast was a breath of fresh air and was so much less frustrating than Namecheap. I wonder what other good options for domains are out there. No comment on customer service in either case, though.
    - omnimus 2y ago
      Just buy domain on namecheap and move DNS somewhere else. Most server providers have good free ones or even cloudflare. Problem solved.
Larrikin 2y ago
>Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings Define the controversy and their leanings
- deleted 2y ago
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- noirbot 2y ago
  The CEO praised one of Trump's picks for an attorney overseeing internet regulation and then when asked about it, the official Proton account replied with multiple posts about how Democrats were sold out to big business and Republicans were the party of small business. Also about how J.D. Vance was the only person to want to talk to Proton about internet regulation. It's worth noting they also left out that the attorney in question lobbied for multiple big tech companies before being appointed and Proton's whole argument was "democrats are captured by big tech". Then when further asked about it, the CEO essentially said he didn't actually know much about the situation and hadn't meant it as an endorsement despite the original posts essentially being a one-sided attack on Democrats and all praise for the current administration, including @ mentioning Donald Trump. He also kept saying "my comments from last year" when they were from December and the controversy was in Jan. At best it seems quite naive from Proton's side to think the administration where Musk, Zuckerberg, and Cook were front row at the inauguration, and was generally funded by Musk, Thiel, Bezos and a raft of other VC folks is going to be more aggressive at regulating big tech companies and for internet privacy in general. At worst, they're trying to curry favor with/actually in favor of the current administration and don't want to admit it because a lot of their value as a business is for people who don't want the government to see their data.
  - aio2 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - noirbot 2y ago
      https://archive.ph/LlbSj https://archive.ph/LlbSj Here's the archive. Do you really think I'd write up all of that just completely making it up? Most of the rest of it is from a reddit thread here: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli... Throughout, he doesn't really give any actual justification for why he thought the original post was correct or remotely well informed. I haven't seen anything from him that acknowledges that he's praising an ex-lobbyist as being good for antitrust, or any explanation of why he'd think it was actually a good appointment for his asserted values. The only stated reasoning was "democrats bad, republicans good". There's no discussion of the role Musk and Thiel and Bezos played in electing Trump. There's no discussion of any Biden-era anti-trust action and why he'd think Trump's folks would do more. It's hard for me to come away from it with a positive opinion of the CEO's decision making and judgement.
varun_ch 2y ago
I’m not sure if Porkbun still do it, but for a while they were also pushing those decentralized blockchain TLDs alongside the real ones, which feels a bit disingenuous.
techright75 2y ago
only really 'controversial' if yiu are a far left zealot. Everyone else is totally fine with it.
IndoorPatio 2y ago
Porkbun is owned by republicans, so this alliance makes sense. People who don't want their money going to republicans will look elsewhere.
- i80and 2y ago
  Do you have a source for this? I've been thinking of moving my domain names from Porkbun to an EEA company, but this would cinch the need to do that
  - djfivyvusn 2y ago
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  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    Looks made up to me. No republican can post this without losing their minds. https://xcancel.com/Porkbun/status/1803880640732926406 https://xcancel.com/Porkbun/status/1803880640732926406
    - rez9x 2y ago
      You realize there are a large number of LGBT Republicans, right?
      - i80and 2y ago
        Were. You'll still find some just because of bell curves and population size, but log cabin republicans and their ilk are dead as a doornail now,
libraryatnight 2y ago
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- tailspin2019 2y ago
  How are you finding Tuta compared to Proton?
LinuxBender 2y ago
I've been using Porkbun for my meme domains ever since I left the train-wreck that NetSol had become. broken back-ends, inability to update root server glue records, nobody left that knows the back-end, nobody left that understands how to use dig, etc... I split up my domains into multiple registrars based on category to avoid all the eggs in one basket rotting via cancel culture. Porkbun are one of the few registrars that support IP restrictions on accounts so I can avoid pseudo 2FA SMS or propriety 2FA apps and they have a simple UI. I have no use for Proton however. If I want to send secure email I use PGP in Thunderbird and if I want more security then I use PGP with my own self hosted email servers. I consider PGP real E2EE for the email body vs. servers that have pseudo E2EE by managing the certs using code they have control over. If I want true E2EE for the entire file or message contents then I use self hosted SFTP with encrypted headerless random ciper+hash loopback images. cryptsetup benchmark Then I randomly pick one of the three slowest ciphers and hashes along with a 222 to 499 random character strings and use an obscure filesystem on top of it. Multiple of these can be nested each using a different cipher+hash+long pw. There are additional techniques that dork up commercial forensics tools. I am not seeing the hacked page or bad certificate but your comment was from 18 hours ago as of the time of my comment so they must have resolved it. [1] I hope they release a detailed write-up on the incident. [1] - https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=porkbun.com&latest https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=porkbun.com&l...

its-summertime 2y ago

Do you have any more info on the invalid certificate?

fenkett 2y ago
All I could find was this reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/PorkBun/comments/1jash9f/porkbun_hacked/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PorkBun/comments/1jash9f/porkbun_ha... Edit for clarification, Porkbun loads fine for me, saw nothing abnormal there.
onlygoose 2y ago
I got served with an invalid certificate too, just for one hit, then the site loaded normally. Haven’t made a screenshot, but the certificate was issued by crewai dot com.

xyst 2y ago

Haven’t heard of any controversial political leanings in Proton Mail. Only controversy I remember was this incident where PM was compelled by govt to release IP address of one of its users — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40280689

gruez 2y ago

>Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings ??? Explain? >It makes me seriously question where Porkbun stands. It's a cross selling partnership. Porkbun is referring its customers to use proton for mail hosting instead of fastmail or whatever. I'm not sure how that implies alignment of politics.

yieldcrv 2y ago

I had to look it up, the “controversy” is that the CEO of Proton used his official proton twitter account to be excited about the US government appointment of someone that is likely to pursue antitrust sanctions against Big Tech. Fast Forward to now, this is true against Microsoft. He was also amused at Big Tech CEOs kissing up to Trump due to this specific threat of their monopolistic nature. The CEO removed their posts and the company reaffirmed that was not in line with the neutral stance. Vicariously invested people act like anyone that finds something beneficial in this administration is supposed to be ostracized. And that even if the CEO had posted this on a personal account, “accountability” is needed and should affect everything he is a part of and benefits from, in order to cause financial pain, I think forever? I’m not sure what people want or expect, it doesn't feel fleshed out

noirbot 2y ago
The CEO posted something, and then the official Proton account also followed up with a multi-post writeup of how democrats were all captured by big tech as if the appointed person in question wasn't a former tech lobbyist. I don't think it should follow them forever, but for a company a lot of people are looking to to protect them against US government intrusion, picking this time specifically to @ mention Donald Trump and praise him appointing a big tech lobbyist and then have official company account defend him is certainly a bad look even if it mostly got deleted. Things like email security and VPNs are 99% a business of "do you trust this company to defend you against a nation-state as best they can" and injecting themselves into what, for them, is international politics at very least shows questionable judgement. If it was a post now about the action against Microsoft, sure. But preemptively praising someone's appointment feels very "kissing the ring" in a way that I don't want my trusted security company to be doing.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- WithinReason 2y ago
  to quote the CEO: Second, regarding the message that was mistakenly posted from Proton's Reddit account, that message was not approved to be posted. I was unaware that it was posted, and I asked for it to be removed as soon as I saw it. We apologize for this failure in internal controls.

rendaw 2y ago

People have been recommending porkbun here hard, but I tried them based on that and the site crashed (503!) when I had symbols in my password! This wouldn't surprise me, given their engineering abilities, and I'd be terrified to leave anything critical in their hands.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
I use them for all my domains, albeit with a passkey for my account. My domains are bought 10 years into the future though, so I rarely login.
chneu 2y ago
I tried finding a reason to use Porkbun over something like namecheap and I couldn't. The porkbun UI is just barebones, it isn't better than anything else. Porkbun's prices are equal to or higher than most registrars. I don't see configuration options in porkbun that I can't utilize with other registrars/dns hosts. It seems like maybe porkbun has good customer service? I've had that elsewhere though, so again not a huge benefit for me. Support for domains isn't something I've ever really needed though. I don't really understand why people are recommending porkbun like they are.
- KronisLV 2y ago
  I use Namecheap for most of my domains, it quite sucks. I will admit that the DDNS functionality is nice (even supported by ddclient out of the box, if you ever need that), the selection of domains and everything else is as you'd expect, but the UI feels really clunky and is almost always slow for me. I did briefly use Porkbun and have to say that the minimalist UI that actually loads fast was a breath of fresh air and was so much less frustrating than Namecheap. I wonder what other good options for domains are out there. No comment on customer service in either case, though.
  - omnimus 2y ago
    Just buy domain on namecheap and move DNS somewhere else. Most server providers have good free ones or even cloudflare. Problem solved.

Larrikin 2y ago

>Given the controversy surrounding Proton's potential political leanings Define the controversy and their leanings

deleted 2y ago
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noirbot 2y ago
The CEO praised one of Trump's picks for an attorney overseeing internet regulation and then when asked about it, the official Proton account replied with multiple posts about how Democrats were sold out to big business and Republicans were the party of small business. Also about how J.D. Vance was the only person to want to talk to Proton about internet regulation. It's worth noting they also left out that the attorney in question lobbied for multiple big tech companies before being appointed and Proton's whole argument was "democrats are captured by big tech". Then when further asked about it, the CEO essentially said he didn't actually know much about the situation and hadn't meant it as an endorsement despite the original posts essentially being a one-sided attack on Democrats and all praise for the current administration, including @ mentioning Donald Trump. He also kept saying "my comments from last year" when they were from December and the controversy was in Jan. At best it seems quite naive from Proton's side to think the administration where Musk, Zuckerberg, and Cook were front row at the inauguration, and was generally funded by Musk, Thiel, Bezos and a raft of other VC folks is going to be more aggressive at regulating big tech companies and for internet privacy in general. At worst, they're trying to curry favor with/actually in favor of the current administration and don't want to admit it because a lot of their value as a business is for people who don't want the government to see their data.
- aio2 2y ago
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  - noirbot 2y ago
    https://archive.ph/LlbSj https://archive.ph/LlbSj Here's the archive. Do you really think I'd write up all of that just completely making it up? Most of the rest of it is from a reddit thread here: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli... Throughout, he doesn't really give any actual justification for why he thought the original post was correct or remotely well informed. I haven't seen anything from him that acknowledges that he's praising an ex-lobbyist as being good for antitrust, or any explanation of why he'd think it was actually a good appointment for his asserted values. The only stated reasoning was "democrats bad, republicans good". There's no discussion of the role Musk and Thiel and Bezos played in electing Trump. There's no discussion of any Biden-era anti-trust action and why he'd think Trump's folks would do more. It's hard for me to come away from it with a positive opinion of the CEO's decision making and judgement.

varun_ch 2y ago

I’m not sure if Porkbun still do it, but for a while they were also pushing those decentralized blockchain TLDs alongside the real ones, which feels a bit disingenuous.

techright75 2y ago

only really 'controversial' if yiu are a far left zealot. Everyone else is totally fine with it.

IndoorPatio 2y ago

Porkbun is owned by republicans, so this alliance makes sense. People who don't want their money going to republicans will look elsewhere.

i80and 2y ago
Do you have a source for this? I've been thinking of moving my domain names from Porkbun to an EEA company, but this would cinch the need to do that
- djfivyvusn 2y ago
  [flagged]
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  Looks made up to me. No republican can post this without losing their minds. https://xcancel.com/Porkbun/status/1803880640732926406 https://xcancel.com/Porkbun/status/1803880640732926406
  - rez9x 2y ago
    You realize there are a large number of LGBT Republicans, right?
    - i80and 2y ago
      Were. You'll still find some just because of bell curves and population size, but log cabin republicans and their ilk are dead as a doornail now,

libraryatnight 2y ago

[flagged]

tailspin2019 2y ago
How are you finding Tuta compared to Proton?

LinuxBender 2y ago

I've been using Porkbun for my meme domains ever since I left the train-wreck that NetSol had become. broken back-ends, inability to update root server glue records, nobody left that knows the back-end, nobody left that understands how to use dig, etc... I split up my domains into multiple registrars based on category to avoid all the eggs in one basket rotting via cancel culture. Porkbun are one of the few registrars that support IP restrictions on accounts so I can avoid pseudo 2FA SMS or propriety 2FA apps and they have a simple UI. I have no use for Proton however. If I want to send secure email I use PGP in Thunderbird and if I want more security then I use PGP with my own self hosted email servers. I consider PGP real E2EE for the email body vs. servers that have pseudo E2EE by managing the certs using code they have control over. If I want true E2EE for the entire file or message contents then I use self hosted SFTP with encrypted headerless random ciper+hash loopback images. cryptsetup benchmark Then I randomly pick one of the three slowest ciphers and hashes along with a 222 to 499 random character strings and use an obscure filesystem on top of it. Multiple of these can be nested each using a different cipher+hash+long pw. There are additional techniques that dork up commercial forensics tools. I am not seeing the hacked page or bad certificate but your comment was from 18 hours ago as of the time of my comment so they must have resolved it. [1] I hope they release a detailed write-up on the incident. [1] - https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=porkbun.com&latest https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=porkbun.com&l...