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Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. But that does make me think, that in a sane society with a functional legislature I

Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. But that does make me think, that in a sane society with a functional legislature I wouldn't have to pick a dog in this fight. I'd have have enough faith in lawmakers and the political process to pursue a path towards copyright reform that reigns in abuses from both AI companies and megacorp rightsholders Alas, for now I'm hoping that aforementioned megacorps sue OpenAI into a painful lesson.

visarga 2y ago
> Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. The same megacorps are suing Internet Archive for their collection of 78rpm records. These guys would rather see art orphaned and die.
- disgruntledphd2 2y ago
  Yup, we live in a pretty depressing world. More generally the best we can hope for us to discourage concentrated power, both in government and corporate forms.
- __loam 2y ago
  They're suing Internet Archive because IA scanned a bunch of copyrighted books to put online for free (e: without even attempting to get permission to do so) then refused to take them down when they got a C&D lol. IA is putting the whole project at risk so they can do literal copyright infringement with no consequences.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    During covid, when everyone was told to stay at home and not do anything, the library offered library books. And what they actually did is violate the requirement to have a physical copy of the book they were lending. As I understand it, they did not offer anything new that wasn't available to loan prior. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, I see no reason to lambast IA.
    - __loam 2y ago
      It's not lambasting to communicate what happened. IA got a C&D, refused to comply, and got sued for copyright infringement. The courts sided with the publishers when IA tried to claim it was fair use (technologists seem to have a pattern of stretching the definition of fair use). They've put their entire project at risk because they've repeatedly ignored the law here. That's just what happened.
      - genewitch 2y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-defends-its-vast-book-torrenting-were-just-a-leech-no-proof-of-seeding/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-defends-its...

visarga 2y ago

> Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. The same megacorps are suing Internet Archive for their collection of 78rpm records. These guys would rather see art orphaned and die.

disgruntledphd2 2y ago
Yup, we live in a pretty depressing world. More generally the best we can hope for us to discourage concentrated power, both in government and corporate forms.
__loam 2y ago
They're suing Internet Archive because IA scanned a bunch of copyrighted books to put online for free (e: without even attempting to get permission to do so) then refused to take them down when they got a C&D lol. IA is putting the whole project at risk so they can do literal copyright infringement with no consequences.
- genewitch 2y ago
  During covid, when everyone was told to stay at home and not do anything, the library offered library books. And what they actually did is violate the requirement to have a physical copy of the book they were lending. As I understand it, they did not offer anything new that wasn't available to loan prior. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, I see no reason to lambast IA.
  - __loam 2y ago
    It's not lambasting to communicate what happened. IA got a C&D, refused to comply, and got sued for copyright infringement. The courts sided with the publishers when IA tried to claim it was fair use (technologists seem to have a pattern of stretching the definition of fair use). They've put their entire project at risk because they've repeatedly ignored the law here. That's just what happened.
    - genewitch 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-defends-its-vast-book-torrenting-were-just-a-leech-no-proof-of-seeding/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-defends-its...