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I own a Jeep Wrangler. I was considering buying another one. Not happening. Here's the Stellantis customer agreement.[1] Free Access Subscription Plan: The Fr

I own a Jeep Wrangler. I was considering buying another one. Not happening. Here's the Stellantis customer agreement.[1] Free Access Subscription Plan: The Free Access Plan is our free advertising supported Subscription. You may be offered the opportunity to self-activate this Plan or we may activate your vehicle radio after your Trial Subscription or paid Subscription Plan. The Service will continue until: (i) you or we cancel this Plan; (ii) your radio is transferred; or (iii) you purchase a Subscription. The content available may differ depending on the capabilities of your radio and this Plan is not available on all radios. You agree that we may activate this Plan on your inactive radio and the availability of this Service is determined solely by us. If this Plan has been activated on your radio, you may cancel it as set forth in Section 4. You may request that your radio not be activated with this Plan after your trial or paid Subscription by mailing a letter to Sirius XM Care, PO Box 33174, Detroit, MI 48232, Attention: No Free Access Subscription. In your letter include: (1) your first and last name; (2) email address; (3) postal address; (4) Vehicle Radio ID/ESN; and (5) indicate that you do not want the Free Access Plan. Stellantis stock has dropped from 29 to 12 over the last year. [1] https://www.siriusxm.com/customer-agreement https://www.siriusxm.com/customer-agreement

insane_dreamer 2y ago
> You agree that we may activate this Plan on your inactive radio and the availability of this Service is determined solely by us. wtaf
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  > The Service will continue until: (i) you or we cancel this Plan Sounds like a mostly nothingburger if I can turn it off myself.
  - cowboylowrez 2y ago
    I had sirius xm with a new car, I subbed for a year or two additional then cancelled as a cost savings when I got the axe at work. I still every few months or so maybe get my radio switched back to xm for an ad for another xm subscription. As I've been resigned to the decline of civilization I just sort of noted that I had a few seconds worth of work added to my life in turning it off to the profit of someone else so it really isn't that bad I guess, especially as it only happens when starting the car which is the best case if it has to be that way. This particular ad, at every stoplight well thats quite a bit worse in my opinion. I feel lucky now that its just sirius xm ads for me.
    - ForOldHack 2y ago
      Did the spark trick work? 110v does wonders for rendering ... oh, just unplug it. I had a friend who did not like his seat belt warning beeper. It took over 4 hours to get the dashboard entirely apart, drill a hole in the beeper, and then put the thing back together. 9 months later, the engine ceased... Hmmmm... XM Radio used to give away devices for free... no free lunch.
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Did you read further to see what you have to do to cancel the plan? Send a letter via post. A nothingburger would be an opt in screen where you can decline.
zihotki 2y ago
That isn't the Stellantis customer agreement, that is a SiriusXm agreement.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  I’ve seen Sirius pop up ads (like for their radio subscription) in other brand’s cars. I wonder if the two are related.
- Animats 2y ago
  SiriusXm claimed, in the original article, that somehow buying a Stellantis vehicle committed the customer to the SiriusXm agreement. You get a free trial when you buy the vehicle, and thus using the infotainment system then binds you to SiriusXm's terms. Or so says SiriusXm. Then, when the free trial runs out, they either rebill your credit card if they manage to capture it somewhere, or drop to ad-supported mode.
1123581321 2y ago
Why were you considering another Wrangler? They don’t have a good reputation for reliability.
- justin66 2y ago
  How would a person know that without having considered it?
  - quickslowdown 2y ago
    Decades of hearing literally everyone but current jeep wrangler owners saying it?
    - justin66 2y ago
      I agree that a person should consider statements such as those. And after doing so, a person can be said to have considered the car.
  - 1123581321 2y ago
    Hah. :) I thought clearing some initial consideration hurdles was implied, but, not necessarily...
- Animats 2y ago
  Pre-Stellantis, and Chrysler bankruptcy, they were at least OK. Post-Stellantis, prices are up, parts prices have doubled, quality is down, powertrain design is not very good, and the dealers are fed up. From the Stellantis dealer association:[1] In 2023, you engineered a record year of profitability for Stellantis, earning you the title of the highest-compensated automotive CEO. You personally earned a record amount of almost forty million dollars that year. Unfortunately, the engineering and structuring of that year have led us to exactly where we told your executives we would be today. The reckless short-term decision-making to secure record profits in 2023 has had devastating, yet entirely predictable, consequences in the US market. Those consequences include the rapid degradation of our iconic American brands - brands like Jeep, Dodge, Ram, and Chrysler that have over a century of history in America. The market share of your brands has been slashed nearly in half, Stellantis stock price is tumbling, plants are closing, layoffs are rampant, and key executives fleeing the company. Investor lawsuits, supplier lawsuits, strikes - the fallout is mounting. Your own distribution network, your dealer body, has been left in an anemic and diminished state. Unfortunately, these are just the consequences we feel today. The drastic market share downturn will have a long lingering painful fiscal impact on your parts manufacturing business for many years to come. The pain will not be confined to the company and its investors. Your dealer network, their employees, your suppliers, and most of all, your own workforce - everyone will suffer the consequences of these disastrous choices. The bill has come due for the decisions that you made to engineer those profits in 2023, and your attempt at a soft landing on the backs of your employees, your dealers, and your suppliers is frankly just wrong. We did not create this problem, the federal government did not create this problem, the UAW did not create this problem, and your employees did not create this problem - you created this problem. In December 2024, the CEO of Stellantis was fired. This was spun as "unexpectedly resigned" due to "increasingly divergent views" with the board of directors.[2] It's really bad. Customers, employees, investors, directors, and dealers have all had it. The only remaining Chrysler-branded vehicle is a mini-van. Stellantis is down to sixth place in US vehicle sales, below Honda and Kia. It's the worst disaster in US automotive history since American Motors and Studebaker went down. [1] https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2024-09/Dealer%20letter%20to%20Stellantis%20CEO.pdf https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2024-09/Dealer%20letter%20to%20... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/01/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavares-resigns.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/01/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavare...
mingus88 2y ago
SiriusXM is not just the radio programming. They’re the service provider for a lot of OEMs data connection. If your head unit has any features like traffic, weather etc, it’s likely via a partnership with Sirius https://www.siriusxm.com/infotainment https://www.siriusxm.com/infotainment

insane_dreamer 2y ago

> You agree that we may activate this Plan on your inactive radio and the availability of this Service is determined solely by us. wtaf

ranger_danger 2y ago
> The Service will continue until: (i) you or we cancel this Plan Sounds like a mostly nothingburger if I can turn it off myself.
- cowboylowrez 2y ago
  I had sirius xm with a new car, I subbed for a year or two additional then cancelled as a cost savings when I got the axe at work. I still every few months or so maybe get my radio switched back to xm for an ad for another xm subscription. As I've been resigned to the decline of civilization I just sort of noted that I had a few seconds worth of work added to my life in turning it off to the profit of someone else so it really isn't that bad I guess, especially as it only happens when starting the car which is the best case if it has to be that way. This particular ad, at every stoplight well thats quite a bit worse in my opinion. I feel lucky now that its just sirius xm ads for me.
  - ForOldHack 2y ago
    Did the spark trick work? 110v does wonders for rendering ... oh, just unplug it. I had a friend who did not like his seat belt warning beeper. It took over 4 hours to get the dashboard entirely apart, drill a hole in the beeper, and then put the thing back together. 9 months later, the engine ceased... Hmmmm... XM Radio used to give away devices for free... no free lunch.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Did you read further to see what you have to do to cancel the plan? Send a letter via post. A nothingburger would be an opt in screen where you can decline.

zihotki 2y ago

That isn't the Stellantis customer agreement, that is a SiriusXm agreement.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I’ve seen Sirius pop up ads (like for their radio subscription) in other brand’s cars. I wonder if the two are related.
Animats 2y ago
SiriusXm claimed, in the original article, that somehow buying a Stellantis vehicle committed the customer to the SiriusXm agreement. You get a free trial when you buy the vehicle, and thus using the infotainment system then binds you to SiriusXm's terms. Or so says SiriusXm. Then, when the free trial runs out, they either rebill your credit card if they manage to capture it somewhere, or drop to ad-supported mode.

1123581321 2y ago

Why were you considering another Wrangler? They don’t have a good reputation for reliability.

justin66 2y ago
How would a person know that without having considered it?
- quickslowdown 2y ago
  Decades of hearing literally everyone but current jeep wrangler owners saying it?
  - justin66 2y ago
    I agree that a person should consider statements such as those. And after doing so, a person can be said to have considered the car.
- 1123581321 2y ago
  Hah. :) I thought clearing some initial consideration hurdles was implied, but, not necessarily...
Animats 2y ago
Pre-Stellantis, and Chrysler bankruptcy, they were at least OK. Post-Stellantis, prices are up, parts prices have doubled, quality is down, powertrain design is not very good, and the dealers are fed up. From the Stellantis dealer association:[1] In 2023, you engineered a record year of profitability for Stellantis, earning you the title of the highest-compensated automotive CEO. You personally earned a record amount of almost forty million dollars that year. Unfortunately, the engineering and structuring of that year have led us to exactly where we told your executives we would be today. The reckless short-term decision-making to secure record profits in 2023 has had devastating, yet entirely predictable, consequences in the US market. Those consequences include the rapid degradation of our iconic American brands - brands like Jeep, Dodge, Ram, and Chrysler that have over a century of history in America. The market share of your brands has been slashed nearly in half, Stellantis stock price is tumbling, plants are closing, layoffs are rampant, and key executives fleeing the company. Investor lawsuits, supplier lawsuits, strikes - the fallout is mounting. Your own distribution network, your dealer body, has been left in an anemic and diminished state. Unfortunately, these are just the consequences we feel today. The drastic market share downturn will have a long lingering painful fiscal impact on your parts manufacturing business for many years to come. The pain will not be confined to the company and its investors. Your dealer network, their employees, your suppliers, and most of all, your own workforce - everyone will suffer the consequences of these disastrous choices. The bill has come due for the decisions that you made to engineer those profits in 2023, and your attempt at a soft landing on the backs of your employees, your dealers, and your suppliers is frankly just wrong. We did not create this problem, the federal government did not create this problem, the UAW did not create this problem, and your employees did not create this problem - you created this problem. In December 2024, the CEO of Stellantis was fired. This was spun as "unexpectedly resigned" due to "increasingly divergent views" with the board of directors.[2] It's really bad. Customers, employees, investors, directors, and dealers have all had it. The only remaining Chrysler-branded vehicle is a mini-van. Stellantis is down to sixth place in US vehicle sales, below Honda and Kia. It's the worst disaster in US automotive history since American Motors and Studebaker went down. [1] https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2024-09/Dealer%20letter%20to%20Stellantis%20CEO.pdf https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2024-09/Dealer%20letter%20to%20... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/01/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavares-resigns.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/01/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavare...

mingus88 2y ago

SiriusXM is not just the radio programming. They’re the service provider for a lot of OEMs data connection. If your head unit has any features like traffic, weather etc, it’s likely via a partnership with Sirius https://www.siriusxm.com/infotainment https://www.siriusxm.com/infotainment