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This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. It's as if Coca-Cola were allowed to tell my water company to turn off my tap wa

This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. It's as if Coca-Cola were allowed to tell my water company to turn off my tap water for a few hours because I should be drinking their soda at lunchtime.

MichaelZuo 2y ago
So then why hasn’t Europe made a viable competitor to Cloudflare yet…?
- AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
  Cloudflare isn't the company with too much power in the above scenario: La Liga is. CF isn't turning off access because they want to, it's because La Liga convinced a court that Cloudflare is promoting "piracy" with the various websites they host (some of which, constituting less than a rounding error of the overall sites they host, may host pirated soccer streams), and convinced a court to have Cloudflare blocked.
  - dmix 2y ago
    Technically LaLiga is only allowed to sue because the gov created aggressive IP/piracy rules, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde They were given those powers in court over Cloudflare via the Spanish government, with some help via a pressure campaign by US gov to protect US copyright globally.
  - MichaelZuo 2y ago
    If there was a viable competitor, then it wouldn’t matter so much if it was blocked or not…
    - M3L0NM4N 2y ago
      The same IP rules would apply to anybody hosting any site that could have the pirated streams...
    - amarant 2y ago
      What makes you think the competitor wouldn't simply be blocked as well?
      - MichaelZuo 2y ago
        Because their policies, behavior, etc., likely wouldn’t be 100% identical.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      That's a bad thing in this case. I don't want website blocking to be easier.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    That said, Cloudflare absolutely has too much power. Centralizing the internet makes it fragile and maximizes the collateral damage caused by draconian copyright enforcement.
- deleted 2y ago
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- DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
  Must be a lack of regulations and compliance procedures giving potential entrepreneurs the legal framework to work within.
imachine1980_ 2y ago
this literally happens in mexico, monterrey in 2022 during biggest drought in the century, public supply was shut down while coca-cola keep producing soft drink from that reservoir, they end-up give some percentage back after a protest. https://www.jornada.com.mx/2022/08/06/estados/022n1est https://www.jornada.com.mx/2022/08/06/estados/022n1est
- Retric 2y ago
  That’s not literally the same thing, it was a protest over them for not “connect wells of their property to the public service supply network.” Which isn’t something I’d want random companies to be doing, and a figurative drop in the bucket.
  - NewJazz 2y ago
    One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water.
    - Retric 2y ago
      > One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water. No multiply 0 by infinity and you don’t get one drop, ie 1/0 is undefined. Further it wasn’t an empty bucket.
      - catlikesshrimp 2y ago
        In this case, as bucket content aproaches 0 drops, 1 drop becomes infinitely more, at least in calculus. Limits in calculus: "When a real function can be expressed as a fraction whose denominator tends to zero, the output of the function becomes arbitrarily large, and is said to "tend to infinity" For example, the reciprocal function, f ( x ) = 1/x tends to infinity as x tends to 0. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero
        Retric 2y ago
lenerdenator 2y ago
But why does the company have too much power? Because there's a lot of money at stake surrounding soccer in Europe.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > But why does the company have too much power? Because they pay the lawmakers to give them this power.
autoexec 2y ago
> This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. This isn't limited to just one company. The problem is how copyright has been abused and over-prioritized until it's become a threat to people's freedoms, to art, and to progress. Copyright needs to be reined in so that no matter what the company is or what product they're pushing innocent people won't be negatively impacted just so that the industry can squeeze more profit from people while refusing to adapt.

MichaelZuo 2y ago

So then why hasn’t Europe made a viable competitor to Cloudflare yet…?

AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
Cloudflare isn't the company with too much power in the above scenario: La Liga is. CF isn't turning off access because they want to, it's because La Liga convinced a court that Cloudflare is promoting "piracy" with the various websites they host (some of which, constituting less than a rounding error of the overall sites they host, may host pirated soccer streams), and convinced a court to have Cloudflare blocked.
- dmix 2y ago
  Technically LaLiga is only allowed to sue because the gov created aggressive IP/piracy rules, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde They were given those powers in court over Cloudflare via the Spanish government, with some help via a pressure campaign by US gov to protect US copyright globally.
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  If there was a viable competitor, then it wouldn’t matter so much if it was blocked or not…
  - M3L0NM4N 2y ago
    The same IP rules would apply to anybody hosting any site that could have the pirated streams...
  - amarant 2y ago
    What makes you think the competitor wouldn't simply be blocked as well?
    - MichaelZuo 2y ago
      Because their policies, behavior, etc., likely wouldn’t be 100% identical.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    That's a bad thing in this case. I don't want website blocking to be easier.
- autoexec 2y ago
  That said, Cloudflare absolutely has too much power. Centralizing the internet makes it fragile and maximizes the collateral damage caused by draconian copyright enforcement.
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DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
Must be a lack of regulations and compliance procedures giving potential entrepreneurs the legal framework to work within.

imachine1980_ 2y ago

this literally happens in mexico, monterrey in 2022 during biggest drought in the century, public supply was shut down while coca-cola keep producing soft drink from that reservoir, they end-up give some percentage back after a protest. https://www.jornada.com.mx/2022/08/06/estados/022n1est https://www.jornada.com.mx/2022/08/06/estados/022n1est

Retric 2y ago
That’s not literally the same thing, it was a protest over them for not “connect wells of their property to the public service supply network.” Which isn’t something I’d want random companies to be doing, and a figurative drop in the bucket.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water. No multiply 0 by infinity and you don’t get one drop, ie 1/0 is undefined. Further it wasn’t an empty bucket.
    - catlikesshrimp 2y ago
      In this case, as bucket content aproaches 0 drops, 1 drop becomes infinitely more, at least in calculus. Limits in calculus: "When a real function can be expressed as a fraction whose denominator tends to zero, the output of the function becomes arbitrarily large, and is said to "tend to infinity" For example, the reciprocal function, f ( x ) = 1/x tends to infinity as x tends to 0. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero
      - Retric 2y ago

lenerdenator 2y ago

But why does the company have too much power? Because there's a lot of money at stake surrounding soccer in Europe.

hulitu 2y ago
> But why does the company have too much power? Because they pay the lawmakers to give them this power.

autoexec 2y ago

> This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. This isn't limited to just one company. The problem is how copyright has been abused and over-prioritized until it's become a threat to people's freedoms, to art, and to progress. Copyright needs to be reined in so that no matter what the company is or what product they're pushing innocent people won't be negatively impacted just so that the industry can squeeze more profit from people while refusing to adapt.