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diggan 2y ago
Regardless of where you get the weights, Google says you need to follow their terms and conditions for the model/weights: > By using, reproducing, modifying, distributing, performing or displaying any portion or element of Gemma, Model Derivatives including via any Hosted Service, (each as defined below) (collectively, the "Gemma Services") or otherwise accepting the terms of this Agreement, you agree to be bound by this Agreement. https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms Worth knowing if you're planning to use this model for production usage/with a business. So once again, I don't understand what "open" is supposed to mean when they call models like these "open weights". What part exactly is "open"?
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  i think generally these companies are too afraid of the obvious rejoinder to try actually enforcing these terms
  - diggan 2y ago
    Probably, up until they aren't. Are you willing to bet against Google's lawyers feeling daring in the future? As a private individual, I sure aren't, and I don't think I'd bet my (hypothetical) business on it either.
- staticman2 2y ago
  I don't disagree but even Linux has "Terms and conditions" of usage under it's license you really need to dig into what those are. There's no doubt Gemma's license is less permissive than other models and that it has less community finetuners for that reason.
  - keheliya 2y ago
    According to the OSI's open source definition, you can't put restrictions against persons or groups or fields of use. In the license, Linux is not restricted in what domain it will be used (good or bad). Here's OSI's argument about this when Meta's llama put such limitations in their license: https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-open-source https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-ope...
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  - homarp 2y ago
    can you link to Linux terms and conditions? search returned nothing.
    - balnaphone 2y ago
      https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/license-rules.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/license-rules... https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
    - staticman2 2y ago
      I guess my comment was a bit wrong, Linux has "TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION" not usage.

Regardless of where you get the weights, Google says you need to follow their terms and conditions for the model/weights: > By using, reproducing, modifying, distributing, performing or displaying any portion or element of Gemma, Model Derivatives including via any Hosted Service, (each as defined below) (collectively, the "Gemma Services") or otherwise accepting the terms of this Agreement, you agree to be bound by this Agreement. https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms Worth knowing if you're planning to use this model for production usage/with a business. So once again, I don't understand what "open" is supposed to mean when they call models like these "open weights". What part exactly is "open"?

whimsicalism 2y ago
i think generally these companies are too afraid of the obvious rejoinder to try actually enforcing these terms
- diggan 2y ago
  Probably, up until they aren't. Are you willing to bet against Google's lawyers feeling daring in the future? As a private individual, I sure aren't, and I don't think I'd bet my (hypothetical) business on it either.
staticman2 2y ago
I don't disagree but even Linux has "Terms and conditions" of usage under it's license you really need to dig into what those are. There's no doubt Gemma's license is less permissive than other models and that it has less community finetuners for that reason.
- keheliya 2y ago
  According to the OSI's open source definition, you can't put restrictions against persons or groups or fields of use. In the license, Linux is not restricted in what domain it will be used (good or bad). Here's OSI's argument about this when Meta's llama put such limitations in their license: https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-open-source https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-ope...
  - deleted 2y ago
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- homarp 2y ago
  can you link to Linux terms and conditions? search returned nothing.
  - balnaphone 2y ago
    https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/license-rules.html https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/license-rules... https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
  - staticman2 2y ago
    I guess my comment was a bit wrong, Linux has "TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION" not usage.