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> Return of in-person final rounds? This looks an obvious consequence of these incidents. Well, even before AI we had qualified people being paid to go to inte
by oefrha 2y ago
> Return of in-person final rounds? This looks an obvious consequence of these incidents.
Well, even before AI we had qualified people being paid to go to interviews for scammers. Or qualified candidates outsourcing their jobs after being hired. An unfortunate downside of remote work really — you can’t be sure of who’s doing the work if they don’t have to come in (and I say this as someone who’s just about to start working on a fully remote, international team). AI has made fraud massively cheaper though.
- Muromec 2y agoSo much this. It's not news this is a thing, it's a problem of a cost -- if there is not way to remotely id a person, remote company has to pay for a flight ticket and is at disadvantage compared to competitor who hires locally when it comes to hiring costs.
- thrwaway1985882 2y ago> So much this. It's not news this is a thing, it's a problem of a cost -- if there is not way to remotely id a person, remote company has to pay for a flight ticket and is at disadvantage compared to competitor who hires locally when it comes to hiring costs. As long as the fully loaded ongoing cost of remote workers is lower than the fully loaded cost of in-person workers, you'll still come out ahead to send people an airplane ticket, hotel room, and meals. And long term I fully expect remote hiring/identity validation as a service companies to emerge.
- jghn 2y agoHow do you know the person in the office hasn’t outsourced their work and they’re just sitting there looking busy?
- elicksaur 2y agoBecause you can tell? What is the purpose of this argument other than to justify deceit?
- jghn 2y agoThe claim is that remote work is bad because it's hard to tell if someone is really doing work. If I'm on site and fucking around, unless you're actively watching my screen how would you know? The point is that I reject this issue is unique to remote work. And thus shouldn't be used as an argument against remote work.
- krembo 2y agoProductivity-wise speaking, if the job is being done, why would you care who is doing it?
- oefrha 2y agoUsually (but not always) the complaint with such scams is the work is being “done” at such low quality that it doesn’t match what’s demonstrated in the interview process; if it’s done at all, that is.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y agoBad actors won't be respecting confidentiality. You're potentially giving adversaries dev access to your systems, and a copy of the source code. Even if they're just in it to make a quick buck and then disappear, this kind of internal info is another thing to sell on.
- elicksaur 2y agoSomeone willing to lie to this extent can be assumed to not actually be as productive. Any “productivity” metric they hit can also be assumed to be faked or gamed while on the job. But, narrowing to just “productivity-wise” is moving the goalposts. I want to work with honest people full stop.
- parliament32 2y agoEconomically speaking, if the job could be done by AI, why would we pay a person to do it?