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Judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success -- search up the dropbox, airbnb, coinbase and ethereum launch threads if you want to feel g

Judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success -- search up the dropbox, airbnb, coinbase and ethereum launch threads if you want to feel good about where you're at. :) That said, I like this idea -- a modern coordinated UPS. I live in an area where people have 3-10 days a year of no power; being able to pick and choose what power they'd use during an outage would be a significant benefit to them. Good luck!

nikodunk 2y ago
Thanks so much! We'll address as much feedback as we can of course, but I hear you :D
- empressplay 2y ago
  How many watts max output? Couldn't see it on the site. Thanks!
  - nikodunk 2y ago
    It's 2.4kW continuous, 7.8kW surge (ie to start up a sump pump, etc). Thanks for considering!
    - empressplay 2y ago
      So not to be mean, but EcoFlow's website for a similar (slightly higher capacity) product has much lower times for how long it can power. For example, it claims 14h for a refrigerator (you're claiming 32) and 97h for a router, while you're claiming 132 hours. Now they might be conservative and you could maybe advertise a bit more liberal times but if you're competition claims their (almost identical) product has substantially lower times people might question that. Obviously EcoFlow is your real competition here and people are going to go check them out. So by all means claim somewhat better times ;) but maybe not as much as you are. Don't get me wrong though, you have a cool product and there's definitely room in that space for more options! https://us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-2-max-portable-power-station https://us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-2-max-portable-power-s...
sharemywin 2y ago
I personally remember sh*tting on doordash...what a stupid idea.
- m463 2y ago
  The zune will do everything the ipod does at the same price.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  But this product isn't actually a new concept. Competing products have been out for years with better specs and prices, even.
  - chadconway 2y ago
    Which ones?
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    - thyristan 2y ago
      A bog-standard Uninterruptible Power Supply. Available from multiple manufacturers (big names are e.g. Eaton, Schneider/APC, but there are lots of choices) in all sizes from "powers your desk light" to "powers your whole house/datacenter/emergency room". Maybe there is value in marketing such a product to ordinary people that are not in IT or electrical engineering. Maybe you can improve on existing control interfaces and design. But don't be surprised when an established UPS vendor copies your product and crushes you with better numbers because of size.
      - m463 2y ago
        I think this space needs some disruption. Most UPSs are dreadful. Cheap, lead-acid and unreliable. And the power banks with attractive specs that seem to be built around 100ah lifep04 batteries... they don't seem to work as UPSs. (and they're expensive)
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Aurornis 2y ago
> Judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success -- search up the dropbox, airbnb, coinbase and ethereum launch threads This is not a new product, though. Battery power inverters with AC and solar input are a popular class of products. You can buy similar products with higher capacity and better solar input at Costco or Best Buy. I think people are confused by the "Show HN" tag and the misleading way it's being compared to a Powerwall, despite not being a comparable product. My problem with this post is that it's a "Show HN" from an account that registered 2 months ago. Their only activity is this post. It's pushing a product with misleading marketing comparisons (It's not comparable to a Powerwall) instead of similar products on the market. The poster is also making claims in this thread that contradict their own marketing on the website. Their website says it will run a fridge for 1.3 days, but one of their employees is in this thread making claims of 2-3 days in some places and 3-4 days in other places. The negativity is because this is a misleading marketing piece and a lot of people are getting tricked into thinking this is a new type of product. Some examples of competing products with better specs and lower prices: https://www.bluettipower.com/collections/power-stations https://www.bluettipower.com/collections/power-stations https://us.ecoflow.com/collections/delta-series https://us.ecoflow.com/collections/delta-series EDIT: This thread is being astroturfed. Someone affiliated with Pila is alternating between talking about developing Pila and pretending to ask questions about Pila. See this comment pretending to ask if it qualifies for the Investment Tax Credit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43339416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43339416 . It took me 10 seconds to find his LinkedIn page where he's clearly associated with Pila: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chadconway_pila-energy-is-8-on-hacker-news-would-love-activity-7305409089117855744-V_A-/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chadconway_pila-energy-is-8-o... EDIT 2: Here's another comment where 'chadconway' pretends to ask a question and 'coleashman' answers it: https://archive.is/ws9bp https://archive.is/ws9bp . Both accounts are associated with Pila. This is a clear attempt at astroturfing.
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- petesergeant 2y ago
  > and the misleading way it's being compared to a Powerwall, despite not being a comparable product 100% this. I had to read a whole wall of text to get to "it's a really fancy UPS". Definitely places that will be useful, but I think a lot of people here are far more excited by the possibilities of products like Powerwall which move us towards a greener future than by large, stylish batteries.
downrightmike 2y ago
Those others couldn't burn down your house based on a faulty code push. Also, 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If that improves, it seems simple
- jve 2y ago
  I was quite amazed to learn that creditcard debt is such a plague in US... I mean you (not the one I'm replying to) are using money you don't own and hoping you will not only own it tomorrow but pay back the debt? Don't buy things you cannot afford and won't have to live paycheck to paycheck.
oefrha 2y ago
Do I have to point to 1000 failed Show/Launch HNs with negativity? This kind of cliched meta commentary whenever a Show/Launch is criticized on HN is getting really old.
- vessenes 2y ago
  I’d be interested in 2 or 3 successful show HNs that had positivity, actually, if you want to go searching. I’m not aware of any, and it would be useful to be able to better understand what high volume commenters on HN are good at assessing as far as product goes. Most (vocal) participants on HN that comment on product launches have almost no understanding of what will make a successful product / company. I’ll put my money where my mouth is - check my comments on the ethereum launch thread.
  - oefrha 2y ago
    Search for top Show HN threads within a month and click on each one: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=true&query=show%20hn&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=tr... Most of them are overall positive, a few are overwhelmingly positive (it's true even when you exclude silly fun ones and focus on actual products); "had positivity" is such a low bar, it's absurd you're "not aware of any". Even this one has your comment at the top, apparently that doesn't even count as "had positivity" to you. Moreover, even if 100% of Show HNs get 100% negative commentary, there's still zero logic in the statement "judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success". Edit: Okay you said "successful" Show HNs. Then we'll have to argue about what's successful, and I can't be bothered. But you can go to the all time results instead and I certainly spot a few what I would consider success stories.
chadconway 2y ago
This is my favorite comment!
supermatt 2y ago
What does “coordinated” mean to you? It’s not distributing power it’s just reporting on usage.

nikodunk 2y ago

Thanks so much! We'll address as much feedback as we can of course, but I hear you :D

empressplay 2y ago
How many watts max output? Couldn't see it on the site. Thanks!
- nikodunk 2y ago
  It's 2.4kW continuous, 7.8kW surge (ie to start up a sump pump, etc). Thanks for considering!
  - empressplay 2y ago
    So not to be mean, but EcoFlow's website for a similar (slightly higher capacity) product has much lower times for how long it can power. For example, it claims 14h for a refrigerator (you're claiming 32) and 97h for a router, while you're claiming 132 hours. Now they might be conservative and you could maybe advertise a bit more liberal times but if you're competition claims their (almost identical) product has substantially lower times people might question that. Obviously EcoFlow is your real competition here and people are going to go check them out. So by all means claim somewhat better times ;) but maybe not as much as you are. Don't get me wrong though, you have a cool product and there's definitely room in that space for more options! https://us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-2-max-portable-power-station https://us.ecoflow.com/products/delta-2-max-portable-power-s...

sharemywin 2y ago

I personally remember sh*tting on doordash...what a stupid idea.

m463 2y ago
The zune will do everything the ipod does at the same price.
Aurornis 2y ago
But this product isn't actually a new concept. Competing products have been out for years with better specs and prices, even.
- chadconway 2y ago
  Which ones?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - thyristan 2y ago
    A bog-standard Uninterruptible Power Supply. Available from multiple manufacturers (big names are e.g. Eaton, Schneider/APC, but there are lots of choices) in all sizes from "powers your desk light" to "powers your whole house/datacenter/emergency room". Maybe there is value in marketing such a product to ordinary people that are not in IT or electrical engineering. Maybe you can improve on existing control interfaces and design. But don't be surprised when an established UPS vendor copies your product and crushes you with better numbers because of size.
    - m463 2y ago
      I think this space needs some disruption. Most UPSs are dreadful. Cheap, lead-acid and unreliable. And the power banks with attractive specs that seem to be built around 100ah lifep04 batteries... they don't seem to work as UPSs. (and they're expensive)

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Aurornis 2y ago

> Judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success -- search up the dropbox, airbnb, coinbase and ethereum launch threads This is not a new product, though. Battery power inverters with AC and solar input are a popular class of products. You can buy similar products with higher capacity and better solar input at Costco or Best Buy. I think people are confused by the "Show HN" tag and the misleading way it's being compared to a Powerwall, despite not being a comparable product. My problem with this post is that it's a "Show HN" from an account that registered 2 months ago. Their only activity is this post. It's pushing a product with misleading marketing comparisons (It's not comparable to a Powerwall) instead of similar products on the market. The poster is also making claims in this thread that contradict their own marketing on the website. Their website says it will run a fridge for 1.3 days, but one of their employees is in this thread making claims of 2-3 days in some places and 3-4 days in other places. The negativity is because this is a misleading marketing piece and a lot of people are getting tricked into thinking this is a new type of product. Some examples of competing products with better specs and lower prices: https://www.bluettipower.com/collections/power-stations https://www.bluettipower.com/collections/power-stations https://us.ecoflow.com/collections/delta-series https://us.ecoflow.com/collections/delta-series EDIT: This thread is being astroturfed. Someone affiliated with Pila is alternating between talking about developing Pila and pretending to ask questions about Pila. See this comment pretending to ask if it qualifies for the Investment Tax Credit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43339416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43339416 . It took me 10 seconds to find his LinkedIn page where he's clearly associated with Pila: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chadconway_pila-energy-is-8-on-hacker-news-would-love-activity-7305409089117855744-V_A-/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chadconway_pila-energy-is-8-o... EDIT 2: Here's another comment where 'chadconway' pretends to ask a question and 'coleashman' answers it: https://archive.is/ws9bp https://archive.is/ws9bp . Both accounts are associated with Pila. This is a clear attempt at astroturfing.

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petesergeant 2y ago
> and the misleading way it's being compared to a Powerwall, despite not being a comparable product 100% this. I had to read a whole wall of text to get to "it's a really fancy UPS". Definitely places that will be useful, but I think a lot of people here are far more excited by the possibilities of products like Powerwall which move us towards a greener future than by large, stylish batteries.

downrightmike 2y ago

Those others couldn't burn down your house based on a faulty code push. Also, 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. If that improves, it seems simple

jve 2y ago
I was quite amazed to learn that creditcard debt is such a plague in US... I mean you (not the one I'm replying to) are using money you don't own and hoping you will not only own it tomorrow but pay back the debt? Don't buy things you cannot afford and won't have to live paycheck to paycheck.

oefrha 2y ago

Do I have to point to 1000 failed Show/Launch HNs with negativity? This kind of cliched meta commentary whenever a Show/Launch is criticized on HN is getting really old.

vessenes 2y ago
I’d be interested in 2 or 3 successful show HNs that had positivity, actually, if you want to go searching. I’m not aware of any, and it would be useful to be able to better understand what high volume commenters on HN are good at assessing as far as product goes. Most (vocal) participants on HN that comment on product launches have almost no understanding of what will make a successful product / company. I’ll put my money where my mouth is - check my comments on the ethereum launch thread.
- oefrha 2y ago
  Search for top Show HN threads within a month and click on each one: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=true&query=show%20hn&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=tr... Most of them are overall positive, a few are overwhelmingly positive (it's true even when you exclude silly fun ones and focus on actual products); "had positivity" is such a low bar, it's absurd you're "not aware of any". Even this one has your comment at the top, apparently that doesn't even count as "had positivity" to you. Moreover, even if 100% of Show HNs get 100% negative commentary, there's still zero logic in the statement "judging by the negativity here you're going to be a massive success". Edit: Okay you said "successful" Show HNs. Then we'll have to argue about what's successful, and I can't be bothered. But you can go to the all time results instead and I certainly spot a few what I would consider success stories.

chadconway 2y ago

This is my favorite comment!

supermatt 2y ago

What does “coordinated” mean to you? It’s not distributing power it’s just reporting on usage.