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Yes. China's five year plans are translated into English and are quite readable. Here's the 14th Five Year Plan, 2021-2025.[1] Wikipedia has a summary.[2] This

Yes. China's five year plans are translated into English and are quite readable. Here's the 14th Five Year Plan, 2021-2025.[1] Wikipedia has a summary.[2] This is China's business plan. The top level is expanded into more detailed plans at lower levels. For example, here's the plan for Fujian province.[3] Further down, here's the transition plan for IPv6.[4] You can go back and read previous five-year plans. The success rate for the individual goals is reasonably high. [1] https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0237_5th_Plenum_Proposal_EN-1.pdf https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0237_5th_Ple... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_five-year_plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_five-year_plan [3] https://ccci.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Policy%20Brief.%2014th%205%20Year%20Plans.pdf https://ccci.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Policy%20Brief... [4] https://www.cac.gov.cn/2021-07/23/c_1628629122784001.htm https://www.cac.gov.cn/2021-07/23/c_1628629122784001.htm

downrightmike 2y ago
Oh, cool, someone is going to use ipv6
- dluan 2y ago
  Chinese people have an irrational amount of love for international standards.
  - calcifer 2y ago
    What makes it irrational?
    - grumpy-de-sre 2y ago
      Sure beats sitting around discussing, complaining, and half assedly developing a replacement standard and getting nowhere. Perfect being the enemy of good and all that. https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
    - dluan 2y ago
      I just meant that they REALLY love international standards. They have the assumption that a group of really smart people must have decided it democratically and fairly, so no matter what it is about they will get excited about it.
  - throw839399939 2y ago
    In this case it is quite rational love. Some US universities have more IPv4 addresses than entire China! Single IPv4 address cost like $50, it is impossible possible to buy large ranges.
chii 2y ago
What makes these plans go so successfully, when the soviets have historically not been able to make such plans successful (despite being richer and more powerful at the time)? This video about Argentina's economic failures mentions why free market capitalism failed in argentina, and why a "similar" opening up in china didnt fail (but not so much detail that another country could follow it and replicate the success). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MzfNTSk4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MzfNTSk4A Basically, is such 5 year plans a recipe for success, or just a facade (aka, china would've had success regardless of what those 5 yr plans are)?
- scotty79 2y ago
  Soviets might just really be bad at everything. Capitalism didn't work for them either.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    The non-working capitalism just kicked the collective butt of the entirety of NATO. Previously in Vietnam the non-working communism did the same.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    If it wasn’t for the Soviets you’d be writing this comment in German :) And Capitalism does not work for USA or anywhere else either (except for very few people at the very top of the pyramid (scheme…)
    - kubb 2y ago
      They’re good at throwing their population into the meat grinder, sure.
    - jajko 2y ago
      They really did the bulk of Wehrmacht killing on European mainland. But they didn't collapse only due to massive US support, be it in armament, equipment, medicine etc. Absolutely massive. Also it was basically due to bad German planning and preparation for winter, not some soviet strategic brilliance, which was very hard to be found on eastern front, just meatwave after meatwave till german machine gun barrels literally melted. You could see tons of US equipment during WWII reels on eastern front including heavy machinery, soviets tried desperately to remove such footage (just like photos of soviet soldiers wearing 3+ watches on each hand... err borrowed from friendly locals) but truth has this behavior of seeping back to light. Capitalism works pretty well in any moral society actually, much better than any other system thats for sure.

downrightmike 2y ago

Oh, cool, someone is going to use ipv6

dluan 2y ago
Chinese people have an irrational amount of love for international standards.
- calcifer 2y ago
  What makes it irrational?
  - grumpy-de-sre 2y ago
    Sure beats sitting around discussing, complaining, and half assedly developing a replacement standard and getting nowhere. Perfect being the enemy of good and all that. https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
  - dluan 2y ago
    I just meant that they REALLY love international standards. They have the assumption that a group of really smart people must have decided it democratically and fairly, so no matter what it is about they will get excited about it.
- throw839399939 2y ago
  In this case it is quite rational love. Some US universities have more IPv4 addresses than entire China! Single IPv4 address cost like $50, it is impossible possible to buy large ranges.

chii 2y ago

What makes these plans go so successfully, when the soviets have historically not been able to make such plans successful (despite being richer and more powerful at the time)? This video about Argentina's economic failures mentions why free market capitalism failed in argentina, and why a "similar" opening up in china didnt fail (but not so much detail that another country could follow it and replicate the success). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MzfNTSk4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7MzfNTSk4A Basically, is such 5 year plans a recipe for success, or just a facade (aka, china would've had success regardless of what those 5 yr plans are)?

scotty79 2y ago
Soviets might just really be bad at everything. Capitalism didn't work for them either.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  The non-working capitalism just kicked the collective butt of the entirety of NATO. Previously in Vietnam the non-working communism did the same.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  If it wasn’t for the Soviets you’d be writing this comment in German :) And Capitalism does not work for USA or anywhere else either (except for very few people at the very top of the pyramid (scheme…)
  - kubb 2y ago
    They’re good at throwing their population into the meat grinder, sure.
  - jajko 2y ago
    They really did the bulk of Wehrmacht killing on European mainland. But they didn't collapse only due to massive US support, be it in armament, equipment, medicine etc. Absolutely massive. Also it was basically due to bad German planning and preparation for winter, not some soviet strategic brilliance, which was very hard to be found on eastern front, just meatwave after meatwave till german machine gun barrels literally melted. You could see tons of US equipment during WWII reels on eastern front including heavy machinery, soviets tried desperately to remove such footage (just like photos of soviet soldiers wearing 3+ watches on each hand... err borrowed from friendly locals) but truth has this behavior of seeping back to light. Capitalism works pretty well in any moral society actually, much better than any other system thats for sure.