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As I mentioned in the past on these stories, I equate this as a modern take of with Germany burning books in the 1930s. I am glad there are organizations willi

by jmclnx 2y ago

As I mentioned in the past on these stories, I equate this as a modern take of with Germany burning books in the 1930s. I am glad there are organizations willing to save this data and I hope these 4 years will put an end to this MAGA craziness.

jajko 2y ago
Past is truly cyclic, probably because human nature doesn't change much, so similar situations lead to similar outcomes. There is another parallel example - Munich 1938 agreement to appease Hitler, with current 'negotiations' and push at all cost to stop russian aggression on Ukraine and appease puttin' (which doesn't care about war that much, he has his own goals which look like russian borders everywhere where Ukrainian currently are). To appease aggressor to avoid bigger war which was anyway inevitable. There is this famous saying "We had the choice between war or shame, we have chosen shame, and we will get war too".
- rg10h 2y ago
  This example has been used by U.S. politicians since WW2 against anyone they deemed a dictator. Followed by "bringing democracy" to the dictator's country, often followed by retreating after a failed war. Finland "appeased" Stalin by giving up Karelia and wasn't invaded even though it was no NATO member until 2022. Greece "appeased" Turkey by giving up parts of Cyprus. Ireland "appeased" the UK by giving up Northern Ireland. No serious historian buys the domino theory (countries being invaded one after another) with respect to Ukraine. Even Stephen Kotkin, a Ukraine war hawk, has complained about the Munich analogy.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    > Ireland "appeased" the UK by giving up Northern Ireland. This is a gross mischaracterization. NI was created as part of the partitioning of Ireland (1920), carried out at a time when the UK government in Westminster also controlled all of the island. In 1922, Ireland became an independent country, and at no time after that was it at war with the UK. There was a violent resistance to UK rule in Ireland (particularly leading up to 1921) but there was no recognized national actor negotiating with the UK. The eventual outcome could be seen as a victory for Sinn Fein, but this was not a pair of national actors at war and reaching an agreement to stop fighting. It was more a resistance movement which eventually won some of what it wanted (an independent Ireland) but not all (Ireland did not cover the entire island).
  - yks 2y ago
    I am not sure what "serious" historians you self-select, but have you heard Russians at all? They want Europe, it's their sphere of influence. На Берлин!
jf 2y ago
I think it’s more realistic to assume 6-8 more years of MAGA craziness. The King will not leave his throne.
- rqtwteye 2y ago
  And the opposing party is a bunch of losers.
i80and 2y ago
Even if MAGA as an ideology does fall apart, and I hope it does soon, you can level a building in a day but it takes years to rebuild it. The damage being done is generational. The next administration can and should bring back the websites and data, but that's just the first step of a very very long road.
- rqtwteye 2y ago
  I think that's the plan. Damage institutions beyond repair.
ashoeafoot 2y ago
Unfortunately , once that horse gets going it tends to get itself economically into stupid situations and sees a way out only by upping the game and jumping the neighbors. Poor mexico.
dani__german 2y ago
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by jmclnx 2y ago

jajko 2y ago

Past is truly cyclic, probably because human nature doesn't change much, so similar situations lead to similar outcomes. There is another parallel example - Munich 1938 agreement to appease Hitler, with current 'negotiations' and push at all cost to stop russian aggression on Ukraine and appease puttin' (which doesn't care about war that much, he has his own goals which look like russian borders everywhere where Ukrainian currently are). To appease aggressor to avoid bigger war which was anyway inevitable. There is this famous saying "We had the choice between war or shame, we have chosen shame, and we will get war too".

rg10h 2y ago
This example has been used by U.S. politicians since WW2 against anyone they deemed a dictator. Followed by "bringing democracy" to the dictator's country, often followed by retreating after a failed war. Finland "appeased" Stalin by giving up Karelia and wasn't invaded even though it was no NATO member until 2022. Greece "appeased" Turkey by giving up parts of Cyprus. Ireland "appeased" the UK by giving up Northern Ireland. No serious historian buys the domino theory (countries being invaded one after another) with respect to Ukraine. Even Stephen Kotkin, a Ukraine war hawk, has complained about the Munich analogy.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  > Ireland "appeased" the UK by giving up Northern Ireland. This is a gross mischaracterization. NI was created as part of the partitioning of Ireland (1920), carried out at a time when the UK government in Westminster also controlled all of the island. In 1922, Ireland became an independent country, and at no time after that was it at war with the UK. There was a violent resistance to UK rule in Ireland (particularly leading up to 1921) but there was no recognized national actor negotiating with the UK. The eventual outcome could be seen as a victory for Sinn Fein, but this was not a pair of national actors at war and reaching an agreement to stop fighting. It was more a resistance movement which eventually won some of what it wanted (an independent Ireland) but not all (Ireland did not cover the entire island).
- yks 2y ago
  I am not sure what "serious" historians you self-select, but have you heard Russians at all? They want Europe, it's their sphere of influence. На Берлин!

jf 2y ago

I think it’s more realistic to assume 6-8 more years of MAGA craziness. The King will not leave his throne.

rqtwteye 2y ago
And the opposing party is a bunch of losers.

i80and 2y ago

Even if MAGA as an ideology does fall apart, and I hope it does soon, you can level a building in a day but it takes years to rebuild it. The damage being done is generational. The next administration can and should bring back the websites and data, but that's just the first step of a very very long road.

rqtwteye 2y ago
I think that's the plan. Damage institutions beyond repair.

ashoeafoot 2y ago

Unfortunately , once that horse gets going it tends to get itself economically into stupid situations and sees a way out only by upping the game and jumping the neighbors. Poor mexico.

dani__german 2y ago

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