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What they did wrong was picking the candidate - she wasn’t popular. It wasn’t the time to try this kind of candidate, but they did it because of their own prior

by kubb 2y ago

What they did wrong was picking the candidate - she wasn’t popular. It wasn’t the time to try this kind of candidate, but they did it because of their own priorities. It’s OK, they won’t learn. Democrats need to start nominating famous actors and influencers.

ReptileMan 2y ago
They had all of Hollywood this year and quite a lot of nonpolitcal content creators came out for Harris in the last days.
- cwillu 2y ago
  Having hollywood endorse a candidate is not the same as having hollywood be a candidate.
  - ReptileMan 2y ago
    And who is the mythical hollywood figure untainted by the culture war that could pull voters from the other side. The only thing you have to do with any hollywood celebrity to thank their presidential campaign is just post screenshots of their Covid and BLM tweets. And if they don't have stupid Covid and BLM tweets then they will have antisemitic ones.
    - DrFalkyn 2y ago
      Bill Maher
  - BeFlatXIII 2y ago
    Your point restated, nobody cares about endorsements.
Mountain_Skies 2y ago
Michael Bloomberg already tried the "hey, I'm like that guy but without the wrong think" xerox strategy and it didn't go well. Mark Cuban has toyed with it too but keeps getting cold feet, maybe due to lack of confidence or maybe due to analysis that shows being Them-Lite rarely works. Trump's reality tv show is not a major part of what got him elected but if someone wants to fund and convince Mark Cuban to try a doppelganger campaign, a fool and his money are soon parted. Cuban seems to know better than to try with his own fortune.
- kubb 2y ago
  If Cuban ran against Kamala he wouldn’t even have to campaign.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  Cuban would have done much better against Trump. Any white southern male would have but Cuban might have pulled in Texas.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
Their mistake was much more basic than that. They kept assuming that they could re-run Biden until it was too late for a switch to work. When they did decide to switch, it had to be Harris, because she was the only one who could legitimately claim to use Biden's election funds, and they didn't have time to raise money for anyone else. From there, they didn't fix the other mistake - the one Democrats have been making for at least a decade. The Democrats' natural constituency is the working class. They can't win without it. But much of the working class is rather socially conservative. The Democrats have spent the last decade telling working class people that if they, the working class, don't think gay marriage is a good idea, or don't think trans people belong on womens' sports teams and in womens' restrooms, or aren't comfortable with abortion, then they are moral lepers and their entire culture needs to be completely eradicated. Well, the natural result is that at least some of those people are going to flip you the bird and vote for the other guy. Democrats wonder "how could people be so stupid?" I ask, "How could you be so stupid? What did you think was going to happen?"
- adastra22 2y ago
  They didn't "have" to run anybody. They could've, and should've gone with someone else. Everyone knew when Harris was selected that the Democrats had lost. The DNC tried to turn that sentiment around, but they started from a losing position and never recovered. There were alternatives...
- pjc50 2y ago
  > don't think gay marriage is a good idea That's the culture war of a decade ago: Obergefell v Hodges was in 2015.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    And Roe v Wade was in 1973. That that war didn't end then, though.
- kubb 2y ago
  The gay and trans thing was a wedge issue pushed by Republicans, because they saw that it worked, and the only way Dems could have appeased the riled up masses would be to straight up start oppressing LGBT people. I don't hold it against them that they didn't budge on this one. Beating up on a minority for political points is morally repugnant, and the whole appeal of Democrats is that they have some kind of integrity. The "moral lepers" thing feels to me like a distortion of reality. The actual Democratic politicians generally didn't engage in denigrating their base. Maybe you mean people on the disgusting website.
rurp 2y ago
This pretty much covers it. Harris ran a terrible campaign in 2020 and was never popular. Biden picked her anyway, against his better judgement, because that was what the Left wanted and he was trying to appease them. His disastrous decision to run again for so long left the party with no other options. Harris tried to correct some of her past mistakes and did better this time around but she should have never been in that position to begin with. Most of the blame should go to Biden and the activists who want to self-immolate the party on the altar of tokenism.

by kubb 2y ago

ReptileMan 2y ago

They had all of Hollywood this year and quite a lot of nonpolitcal content creators came out for Harris in the last days.

cwillu 2y ago
Having hollywood endorse a candidate is not the same as having hollywood be a candidate.
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  And who is the mythical hollywood figure untainted by the culture war that could pull voters from the other side. The only thing you have to do with any hollywood celebrity to thank their presidential campaign is just post screenshots of their Covid and BLM tweets. And if they don't have stupid Covid and BLM tweets then they will have antisemitic ones.
  - DrFalkyn 2y ago
    Bill Maher
- BeFlatXIII 2y ago
  Your point restated, nobody cares about endorsements.

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

Michael Bloomberg already tried the "hey, I'm like that guy but without the wrong think" xerox strategy and it didn't go well. Mark Cuban has toyed with it too but keeps getting cold feet, maybe due to lack of confidence or maybe due to analysis that shows being Them-Lite rarely works. Trump's reality tv show is not a major part of what got him elected but if someone wants to fund and convince Mark Cuban to try a doppelganger campaign, a fool and his money are soon parted. Cuban seems to know better than to try with his own fortune.

kubb 2y ago
If Cuban ran against Kamala he wouldn’t even have to campaign.
ipaddr 2y ago
Cuban would have done much better against Trump. Any white southern male would have but Cuban might have pulled in Texas.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

Their mistake was much more basic than that. They kept assuming that they could re-run Biden until it was too late for a switch to work. When they did decide to switch, it had to be Harris, because she was the only one who could legitimately claim to use Biden's election funds, and they didn't have time to raise money for anyone else. From there, they didn't fix the other mistake - the one Democrats have been making for at least a decade. The Democrats' natural constituency is the working class. They can't win without it. But much of the working class is rather socially conservative. The Democrats have spent the last decade telling working class people that if they, the working class, don't think gay marriage is a good idea, or don't think trans people belong on womens' sports teams and in womens' restrooms, or aren't comfortable with abortion, then they are moral lepers and their entire culture needs to be completely eradicated. Well, the natural result is that at least some of those people are going to flip you the bird and vote for the other guy. Democrats wonder "how could people be so stupid?" I ask, "How could you be so stupid? What did you think was going to happen?"

adastra22 2y ago
They didn't "have" to run anybody. They could've, and should've gone with someone else. Everyone knew when Harris was selected that the Democrats had lost. The DNC tried to turn that sentiment around, but they started from a losing position and never recovered. There were alternatives...
pjc50 2y ago
> don't think gay marriage is a good idea That's the culture war of a decade ago: Obergefell v Hodges was in 2015.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  And Roe v Wade was in 1973. That that war didn't end then, though.
kubb 2y ago
The gay and trans thing was a wedge issue pushed by Republicans, because they saw that it worked, and the only way Dems could have appeased the riled up masses would be to straight up start oppressing LGBT people. I don't hold it against them that they didn't budge on this one. Beating up on a minority for political points is morally repugnant, and the whole appeal of Democrats is that they have some kind of integrity. The "moral lepers" thing feels to me like a distortion of reality. The actual Democratic politicians generally didn't engage in denigrating their base. Maybe you mean people on the disgusting website.

rurp 2y ago

This pretty much covers it. Harris ran a terrible campaign in 2020 and was never popular. Biden picked her anyway, against his better judgement, because that was what the Left wanted and he was trying to appease them. His disastrous decision to run again for so long left the party with no other options. Harris tried to correct some of her past mistakes and did better this time around but she should have never been in that position to begin with. Most of the blame should go to Biden and the activists who want to self-immolate the party on the altar of tokenism.