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“One’s desires are endless, however much one gets.” Truth.

by mannyv 2y ago

foxglacier 2y ago
While I admit to not having been able to read the article, this is very true. In my country, everyone has access to free healthcare, housing, food, and even tertiary education for most people, especially the poorest. But there are still endless complaints about poverty. Sometimes a person will have to live in a (free) hotel because all the immediately available free housing is in another city where they don't want to live despite being still perfectly well developed and comfortable. We'll never get rid of poverty because people keep raising the bar no matter how wealthy they get.
- codethief 2y ago
  Free housing & food? Which country is that?
  - copx 2y ago
    The UK is infamous for housing illegal immigrants in hotels, and they don't just get free food but free money, too. Oh, and free healthcare. Free money, housing, and healthcare for everyone is also the law here in Germany, which is why we get flooded by illegal immigrants too.. ..and that's why these Western European welfare states are collapsing. You can only afford something like this if your population overwhelmingly consists of educated, skilled people with a strong work ethic who would never voluntarily sign up for welfare. Once you allow millions of foreigners into the country who are neither educated nor skilled nor have a work ethic such systems start to collapse.
    - ahoka 2y ago
      Maybe read and spread less Russian propaganda. Illegal immigrants never get anything in EU, other than Schengen entry bans.
      - milesrout 2y ago
        Illegal migrants that claim asylum in Germany and Sweden have never got any public services, housing or other support? Really, that is your position?!
        anang 2y ago
        I don't think asylum seekers are typically considered illegal immigrants. I think that's more individuals who either don't seek legal status, or have tried to get a legal status but failed and stayed in the country anyway. And I don't think Sweden and Germany are giving free housing to individuals that overstayed their visas.
      - BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
        I'm in France, healthcare is also for the illegals in the form of AME (Aide Médical de l'État). https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F3079 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F3079
      - lnsru 2y ago
        Please read this article in German: https://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen/so-viel-gibt-muenchen-fuer-fluechtlinge-aus-geheim-papier-enthuellt-93593413.html https://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen/so-viel-gibt-muenchen... They get not only free housing, but also free food and even a janitor! That’s better than significant part of the population does. Do you think, that delivery driver or a nurse can afford more?
    - Bayart 2y ago
      > ..and that's why these Western European welfare states are collapsing. No, it's not. The weight of illegals on the welfare system is a rounding error compared to the effects of an aging population. And if you were familiar with people in this situation rather than spitting out far-right talking points you'd know that's it's not an enviable situation and not one they yearn to stay in.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      So then why do millions come to the US to work backbreaking jobs in the agriculture or construction sector risking deportation and receiving no such benefits? It turns out the greatest economic impetus for migration is not available social services but available work of better pay. Same reasons why software engineers flock to the coasts. You see migration into Germany because literally all of south and eastern and the poorer parts of western europe are clamoring for finding work in Germany. And of course also middle easterners and africans, which the right wing media seems to fixate almost exclusively and not the constant flow of slavic people doing the same for the same reasons, probably owing to skin color and religion and the ease of slanting rhetoric along those lines for propaganda purposes for the bigots of the right wing base.
- Elixir6419 2y ago
  Poverty perception is relative. Most people judge their position on the poor/rich scale based on their sorroundings, rather than in absolute value. Also to the point on raising the bar. I think that is not a bad thing.
  - forgotoldacc 2y ago
    This is the key point. We can look back on people who were royalty in their time, but by modern standards, they would've been living a poor life. No AC in the summer, no proper medical care and the possibility of dying from a mild tooth problem, only having access to food that's in-season, zero running water, needing to have your poop hauled away in buckets, needing to spend all day just to travel 15 km, being blamed for a random crime and executed days later with no real evidence. Being a rich person in the renaissance period seems like it'd be nice if you only look at paintings glorifying the lifestyle. But when you sit down and think about the nitty gritty daily life, it would suck compared to an average modern lifestyle. Yet the rich back then were surely quite comfortable, just like the rich today are. And the rich centuries from now will look at the mega rich today and be amazed that they lived such quaint lives without food teleporters and instant cancer zappers and weekend trips to the balmy shores of Ganymede. Saying the poor can't be dissatisfied with the inequality in society today because "things were worse in the past for the poor" can really be extended to anyone and anything. There's always something in the past that was worse than a typical bad experience today. But the past is full of horrors that we should learn from and not repeat.
    - aprilthird2021 2y ago
      > No AC in the summer, no proper medical care and the possibility of dying from a mild tooth problem, only having access to food that's in-season, zero running water, needing to have your poop hauled away in buckets, needing to spend all day just to travel 15 km, being blamed for a random crime and executed days later with no real evidence. I think this is greatly exaggerated. Actual royalty had access to vast amounts of physical and mental labor that only the billionaires of modern society could rival. No A/C? You can pay people to bring ice into your house and cool you. No medical care? You could have a surgeon invent an implement to pull an arrow out of your skull and save your life, just because you are important enough for that. Only food in season? You could pay people to bring you food from other places far away lands no one has ever seen in such seasons. Modern world has conveniences, but so many people cannot afford any labor at all. Royalty had leisure time that most modern people can barely afford.
- allpratik 2y ago
  All the free claims of facilities here ONLY exists to support corruption. These free things are not materially helping poor people hence everyone seems to be unhappy. For example, in India it takes almost $700k per km of road construct while in the US, it takes only $120k per km to construct the road. And when it comes to other attributes like quality of the road, speed of the construction or durability of the road.... It's far worst than the USA. All the Indian govt programs only exists to support their corrupt contractors and not for helping people genuinely.
imtringued 2y ago
Not my experience at all. Saturation is a real phenomenon.

“One’s desires are endless, however much one gets.” Truth.

by mannyv 2y ago

“One’s desires are endless, however much one gets.” Truth.

While I admit to not having been able to read the article, this is very true. In my country, everyone has access to free healthcare, housing, food, and even tertiary education for most people, especially the poorest. But there are still endless complaints about poverty. Sometimes a person will have to live in a (free) hotel because all the immediately available free housing is in another city where they don't want to live despite being still perfectly well developed and comfortable. We'll never get rid of poverty because people keep raising the bar no matter how wealthy they get.

codethief 2y ago
Free housing & food? Which country is that?
- copx 2y ago
  The UK is infamous for housing illegal immigrants in hotels, and they don't just get free food but free money, too. Oh, and free healthcare. Free money, housing, and healthcare for everyone is also the law here in Germany, which is why we get flooded by illegal immigrants too.. ..and that's why these Western European welfare states are collapsing. You can only afford something like this if your population overwhelmingly consists of educated, skilled people with a strong work ethic who would never voluntarily sign up for welfare. Once you allow millions of foreigners into the country who are neither educated nor skilled nor have a work ethic such systems start to collapse.
  - ahoka 2y ago
    Maybe read and spread less Russian propaganda. Illegal immigrants never get anything in EU, other than Schengen entry bans.
    - milesrout 2y ago
      Illegal migrants that claim asylum in Germany and Sweden have never got any public services, housing or other support? Really, that is your position?!
      - anang 2y ago
        I don't think asylum seekers are typically considered illegal immigrants. I think that's more individuals who either don't seek legal status, or have tried to get a legal status but failed and stayed in the country anyway. And I don't think Sweden and Germany are giving free housing to individuals that overstayed their visas.
    - BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
      I'm in France, healthcare is also for the illegals in the form of AME (Aide Médical de l'État). https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F3079 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F3079
    - lnsru 2y ago
      Please read this article in German: https://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen/so-viel-gibt-muenchen-fuer-fluechtlinge-aus-geheim-papier-enthuellt-93593413.html https://www.merkur.de/lokales/muenchen/so-viel-gibt-muenchen... They get not only free housing, but also free food and even a janitor! That’s better than significant part of the population does. Do you think, that delivery driver or a nurse can afford more?
  - Bayart 2y ago
    > ..and that's why these Western European welfare states are collapsing. No, it's not. The weight of illegals on the welfare system is a rounding error compared to the effects of an aging population. And if you were familiar with people in this situation rather than spitting out far-right talking points you'd know that's it's not an enviable situation and not one they yearn to stay in.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    So then why do millions come to the US to work backbreaking jobs in the agriculture or construction sector risking deportation and receiving no such benefits? It turns out the greatest economic impetus for migration is not available social services but available work of better pay. Same reasons why software engineers flock to the coasts. You see migration into Germany because literally all of south and eastern and the poorer parts of western europe are clamoring for finding work in Germany. And of course also middle easterners and africans, which the right wing media seems to fixate almost exclusively and not the constant flow of slavic people doing the same for the same reasons, probably owing to skin color and religion and the ease of slanting rhetoric along those lines for propaganda purposes for the bigots of the right wing base.
Elixir6419 2y ago
Poverty perception is relative. Most people judge their position on the poor/rich scale based on their sorroundings, rather than in absolute value. Also to the point on raising the bar. I think that is not a bad thing.
- forgotoldacc 2y ago
  This is the key point. We can look back on people who were royalty in their time, but by modern standards, they would've been living a poor life. No AC in the summer, no proper medical care and the possibility of dying from a mild tooth problem, only having access to food that's in-season, zero running water, needing to have your poop hauled away in buckets, needing to spend all day just to travel 15 km, being blamed for a random crime and executed days later with no real evidence. Being a rich person in the renaissance period seems like it'd be nice if you only look at paintings glorifying the lifestyle. But when you sit down and think about the nitty gritty daily life, it would suck compared to an average modern lifestyle. Yet the rich back then were surely quite comfortable, just like the rich today are. And the rich centuries from now will look at the mega rich today and be amazed that they lived such quaint lives without food teleporters and instant cancer zappers and weekend trips to the balmy shores of Ganymede. Saying the poor can't be dissatisfied with the inequality in society today because "things were worse in the past for the poor" can really be extended to anyone and anything. There's always something in the past that was worse than a typical bad experience today. But the past is full of horrors that we should learn from and not repeat.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    > No AC in the summer, no proper medical care and the possibility of dying from a mild tooth problem, only having access to food that's in-season, zero running water, needing to have your poop hauled away in buckets, needing to spend all day just to travel 15 km, being blamed for a random crime and executed days later with no real evidence. I think this is greatly exaggerated. Actual royalty had access to vast amounts of physical and mental labor that only the billionaires of modern society could rival. No A/C? You can pay people to bring ice into your house and cool you. No medical care? You could have a surgeon invent an implement to pull an arrow out of your skull and save your life, just because you are important enough for that. Only food in season? You could pay people to bring you food from other places far away lands no one has ever seen in such seasons. Modern world has conveniences, but so many people cannot afford any labor at all. Royalty had leisure time that most modern people can barely afford.
allpratik 2y ago
All the free claims of facilities here ONLY exists to support corruption. These free things are not materially helping poor people hence everyone seems to be unhappy. For example, in India it takes almost $700k per km of road construct while in the US, it takes only $120k per km to construct the road. And when it comes to other attributes like quality of the road, speed of the construction or durability of the road.... It's far worst than the USA. All the Indian govt programs only exists to support their corrupt contractors and not for helping people genuinely.

imtringued 2y ago

Not my experience at all. Saturation is a real phenomenon.