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You can argue that you take a giant risk being born Palestinian and coming to US.

by esalman 2y ago

Aeolun 2y ago
Not as much as you take being born Palestinian and staying there.
- etiam 2y ago
  That remains to be seen.
spwa4 2y ago
(he also organized and financed protests where people got attacked and hurt, including Jewish students, who got attacked and hurt - for being Jewish)
- esalman 2y ago
  IIRC a Jewish billionaire funded a van which drove around campuses doxxing students who had little or nothing to do with the protests. He also sent lists of those students to potential employers.
- acdha 2y ago
  Do you have a citation for anything linking him to actual violence? Permanent residents are protected by U.S. laws, including the 1st amendment, so simply protesting shouldn’t be enough unless they can show a serious crime.
  - spwa4 2y ago
    Yes (the link is that he gave interviews at the encampments where that happened), but it doesn't even matter what he actually did. If you really want to, yes, you can find videos of him defending the violence. It's not hard to find on Youtube. I don't think I could find video where he, personally, commits violence. But it doesn't matter. Visas can be granted or withdrawn at the president's discretion. You're absolutely right that visa holders are protected by US laws ... but that doesn't protect them from losing said visa. Deportation is also at the president's discretion. So the same applies. But they are definitely protected by US laws. You cannot kill a them. You will get arrested for stealing from them. Even if they're being deported. But the executive ("the president"), ie. ICE, can forcibly remove any visa holder, from US soil, that is perfectly within the law.
    - acdha 2y ago
      > Yes (the link is that he gave interviews at the encampments where that happened), but it doesn't even matter what he actually did In other words, no, you don’t. Talking to reporters is covered by the first amendment. Talking to school officials is covered by the first amendment. Being at a protest is covered by the first amendment. Simply at protest where other people do something illegal is covered by the first amendment, too. Unless there’s evidence that he was personally doing or inciting illegal activity, this should be textbook civil rights law. > Green cards can be granted or withdrawn at the president's discretion. Can you provide a citation to that law?
      - spwa4 2y ago
        > Unless there’s evidence that he was personally doing or inciting illegal activity ... I bet any decent prosecutor can make the case that organizing (and defending) a protest that engages in violence is illegal, including when the organizer cannot be proven to directly participate in the violence. And, frankly, (my personal moral opinion) that is just not OK to do. If this happens, you walk away. If you don't, there may be consequences. But if you want to shout that there is no direct proof of this person directly committing violence, well, no, there isn't. Al Capone famously also never hurt a fly (or at least, never convicted for that), in the same manner: he organized violence against people, he did not do it himself. > Can you provide a citation to that law? Again, this will be subtle, so if you want to shout "so you CAN'T" again, you'll probably be able to. You will not get any response beyond that. Specifically what is not addressed in my response is the conflict between Federal law and States' law. But here you go: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/41.122 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/41.122 TLDR: the secretary of state (and thus the president) can request that a visa be revoked, and that's that. He is not limited in that. Here is the secretary of state announcing his intention to do just that: https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5185620-rubio-ice-arrest-pro-palestinian-columbia-mahmoud-khalil-green-card-dhs-trump-immigration-crackdown/ https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5185620-rubio-ice-arr... For a green card holder, apparently a (federal) immigration judge must confirm the decision.
        2y ago

You can argue that you take a giant risk being born Palestinian and coming to US.

Aeolun 2y ago

Not as much as you take being born Palestinian and staying there.

etiam 2y ago
That remains to be seen.

spwa4 2y ago

(he also organized and financed protests where people got attacked and hurt, including Jewish students, who got attacked and hurt - for being Jewish)

esalman 2y ago
IIRC a Jewish billionaire funded a van which drove around campuses doxxing students who had little or nothing to do with the protests. He also sent lists of those students to potential employers.
acdha 2y ago
Do you have a citation for anything linking him to actual violence? Permanent residents are protected by U.S. laws, including the 1st amendment, so simply protesting shouldn’t be enough unless they can show a serious crime.
- spwa4 2y ago
  Yes (the link is that he gave interviews at the encampments where that happened), but it doesn't even matter what he actually did. If you really want to, yes, you can find videos of him defending the violence. It's not hard to find on Youtube. I don't think I could find video where he, personally, commits violence. But it doesn't matter. Visas can be granted or withdrawn at the president's discretion. You're absolutely right that visa holders are protected by US laws ... but that doesn't protect them from losing said visa. Deportation is also at the president's discretion. So the same applies. But they are definitely protected by US laws. You cannot kill a them. You will get arrested for stealing from them. Even if they're being deported. But the executive ("the president"), ie. ICE, can forcibly remove any visa holder, from US soil, that is perfectly within the law.
  - acdha 2y ago
    > Yes (the link is that he gave interviews at the encampments where that happened), but it doesn't even matter what he actually did In other words, no, you don’t. Talking to reporters is covered by the first amendment. Talking to school officials is covered by the first amendment. Being at a protest is covered by the first amendment. Simply at protest where other people do something illegal is covered by the first amendment, too. Unless there’s evidence that he was personally doing or inciting illegal activity, this should be textbook civil rights law. > Green cards can be granted or withdrawn at the president's discretion. Can you provide a citation to that law?
    - spwa4 2y ago
      > Unless there’s evidence that he was personally doing or inciting illegal activity ... I bet any decent prosecutor can make the case that organizing (and defending) a protest that engages in violence is illegal, including when the organizer cannot be proven to directly participate in the violence. And, frankly, (my personal moral opinion) that is just not OK to do. If this happens, you walk away. If you don't, there may be consequences. But if you want to shout that there is no direct proof of this person directly committing violence, well, no, there isn't. Al Capone famously also never hurt a fly (or at least, never convicted for that), in the same manner: he organized violence against people, he did not do it himself. > Can you provide a citation to that law? Again, this will be subtle, so if you want to shout "so you CAN'T" again, you'll probably be able to. You will not get any response beyond that. Specifically what is not addressed in my response is the conflict between Federal law and States' law. But here you go: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/41.122 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/41.122 TLDR: the secretary of state (and thus the president) can request that a visa be revoked, and that's that. He is not limited in that. Here is the secretary of state announcing his intention to do just that: https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5185620-rubio-ice-arrest-pro-palestinian-columbia-mahmoud-khalil-green-card-dhs-trump-immigration-crackdown/ https://thehill.com/homenews/education/5185620-rubio-ice-arr... For a green card holder, apparently a (federal) immigration judge must confirm the decision.
      - 2y ago