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Enforcing the law is one thing. If they refused entry or forced her to fly back immediately, nobody would care much. Detaining is all of: cruel, expensive, unne
by viraptor 2y ago
Enforcing the law is one thing. If they refused entry or forced her to fly back immediately, nobody would care much. Detaining is all of: cruel, expensive, unnecessary.
- toast0 2y agoForcing her to fly back immediately (and detaining until the flight if not immediate) seems reasonable, but both countries at a land crossing can't refuse entry. The article states she was refused entry to Canada, and then detained when she returned to the US; I don't know if there are international norms here, but I think in this situation if both countries would refuse entry, one of them has to accept entry and consider immigration detention; and it doesn't seem unfair for that to be the country where the person in question was before the first crossing?
- viraptor 2y agoSure, they could consider detention. But then there are daily flights back to the UK. Anything beyond an overnight stay (if necessary for the wait) is unfair.
- averageRoyalty 2y agoI'm not convinced it's the Americans responsibility to get her back to a suitable international airport as quickly as possible and put her in the next flight out. 10 days does seem excessive, but I don't see why she should be a priority either. I would imagine up to 5 working days fits within the realm of 'reasonable'.
- gopher_space 2y agoFeel free to not encage people if you don't like the responsibility.
- wat10000 2y agoA full work week in jail for something that isn’t even a crime is ridiculous.
- necovek 2y agoGoing to a country for work on a tourist visa (waiver) and without a working permit is ridiculous on top of staying longer than the usually allowed 90 days in any sequence of 180 consecutive days. Do not put yourself in a position for a foreign government to put you in detention and "hope for the best".
- wat10000 2y agoAgreed. But I care a lot more about what my government does to people who break the rules than I care about people breaking minor rules.
- necovek 2y agoAgreed as well. But the question is punted down to how do you decide if someone is breaking minor rules or major ones instead? AFAIK, US usually resolves that with courts (in this case Immigration Court). That requires a court date which is not as quick to come by. The way to improve the situation for the future is to introduce changes to the law to allow voluntary deportation for anyone who's not a wanted criminal — but the laws are what they are, and I wouldn't want immigration clerks to have the full power.
- wat10000 2y agoCourt is not the only way. How many people do you know who got thrown in jail for a minor speeding offense? The system is plainly capable of distinguishing between “needs to go to jail until they can see a judge” and “can go home” cases. This one is just silly, though: it’s “must go home” combined with “can’t leave.” You can have a system that treats people humanely. We choose not to.
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- stefan_ 2y agoYeah, what's habeas corpus.
- psychlops 2y agoA legal procedure that protects citizens, which she isn't.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoNah. Habeus Corpus applies to everybody in the US, not just citizens.
- anigbrowl 2y agoIf authorities think she should be deported, then deport her. Imprisonment is perverse, it is literally the most expensive option.
- xethos 2y agoDictating they buy one of the most expensive flights (one of the immediate ones taking off that day) probably isn't a great look either. Like so much else with law enforcement, they look like shit because of the system and incentives set up. Some do it themselves and are malicious for no good reason, but not literally every time.
- viraptor 2y agoYou don't get a free flight. Typically either your return ticket is moved if possible, or the airline will claim the cost from you. There's a number of regulations and airline rules, but in general - unless the airline messed up checks at boarding, you're getting charged for the flight back.
- lepton 2y agoThat’s the parent’s point: a same-day flight may be expensive for the detainee and look bad for ICE.
- dmix 2y agoSounds like she was surviving doing chores in exchange for a place to sleep (in two different countries). It's possible she didn't have a plane ticket lined up.
- orwin 2y agoIt's so expensive to not take a return ticket, I doubt she didn't had a return plane ticket. Maybe she moved her flight or missed it, but only rich people don't buy a return ticket.
- bruceb 2y agoI am not sure if the comment is serious or not. Often one way tix are not much more than half a round trip tix It used to be one way tickets were like 70+% of a round trip, not as much anymore
- dessimus 2y ago> Detaining is all of: cruel, expensive, unnecessary. What about those poor private prison corporations that are being deprived of an income?! How dare you! /s
- anigbrowl 2y agoProbably profitable though. A lot of those immigration detention centers are privately operated.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoTacoma Northwest is a private 'detention center'.
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoFYI Tacoma Northwest is a Geo Group private prison. Geo Group is paid per number of beds at this facility not number occupied so locking her up has zero added expense. But you do not want to be in a Geo private facility especially their immigration facilities.