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Sony and EMI worked with the Library of Congress on the National Jukebox a decade ago. https://www.loc.gov/collections/national-jukebox/about-this-collection/p

Sony and EMI worked with the Library of Congress on the National Jukebox a decade ago. https://www.loc.gov/collections/national-jukebox/about-this-collection/partners/ https://www.loc.gov/collections/national-jukebox/about-this-... Internet Archive is free to archive whatever they want. The problem is that they want to be a publisher too but refuse to follow the rules. There are traditional rules around access to archives that keep things in balance. But when you're publishing the most popular song of all time and your strategy is "pops and scratches makes it Fair Use" when people ask to take it down -- well then you're going to lose. Again. They could structure things so that these uploads would be protected under DMCA, and act more surgically, but they can't decide whether they're an archive, a library, or an activist organization. Each of those things has different expectations for longevity and different rules for survival. At this point I'd be happy if they'd just pick a lane. Other organizations would step up to handle other aspects (Musk was down there looking to vacuum up the data). And if they chose to behave like a legitimate archive, they would have less of a problem partnering with rights holders and raising money from individuals and corporations who support preservation efforts. Right now they're asking for $17 donations next to pirated material and that's not a strategy.

freejazz 2y ago
Not sure why this is being downvoted, it is pretty spot-on.
NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
>There are traditional rules None of those rules are traditional. Those rules are adhoc, constantly changed at the whims of whoever is in charge of the copyright office in any given administration, and heavily lobbied by the media companies. These rules are many things: bureaucratic, official, overly-complicated, contrary to public interest, etc. but have no basis in "tradition". >At this point I'd be happy if they'd just pick a lane. No doubt you'd be happy. >they would have less of a problem partnering with rights holders These are the same rights holders that have acted irresponsibly when it suited them, leading to the wanton destruction of material that rightfully belongs to the public. You get that right? Copyright is not ownership, it's just a long-term lease... all copyright materials are in the long run property of the public domain. You don't get to destroy them just because you've got a temporary lease on it. The rights holders are the problem. >Right now they're asking for $17 donations next to pirated material What piracy? Did someone hijack a ship at sea and hold its crew for ransom?
- badlibrarian 2y ago
  I work in the space and routinely access material that predates the Berne Convention. There are indeed traditions that archives and libraries follow going back centuries. This is entirely separate from US copyright law and if we were actually conversing I'd imagine we'd discover that we share a lot of views there. > You don't get to destroy them just because you've got a temporary lease on it. And that's where we disagree. For starters, nothing has gotten destroyed here. Yet. The problem as I see it is that some weird-ass white guy annointed himself keeper of the material. And now he's started behaving erratically and unlawfully, and putting everything at risk. Seems to be a lot of that going around lately. Insiders at the Archive have gone as far as to say Brewster's sabotaging things since there's no plan for funding or running the thing after he passes. Getting sued over and over (and losing) is awful. And imagine how the employees feel -- scanning moldy books for 20 years and then your boss makes one weird decision and now nobody can see your work.
  - bboozzoo 2y ago
    > some weird-ass white guy annointed himself keeper of the material how's their skin colour so relevant to the discussion that it needs to be brought up? what if they were yellow/black/green?
    - badlibrarian 2y ago
      It sets up the quip two sentences later and opens up opportunities for further social commentary such as "Brewster Kahle seems to be the only white guy left who manages to lose in a courtroom each and every time."

freejazz 2y ago

Not sure why this is being downvoted, it is pretty spot-on.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

>There are traditional rules None of those rules are traditional. Those rules are adhoc, constantly changed at the whims of whoever is in charge of the copyright office in any given administration, and heavily lobbied by the media companies. These rules are many things: bureaucratic, official, overly-complicated, contrary to public interest, etc. but have no basis in "tradition". >At this point I'd be happy if they'd just pick a lane. No doubt you'd be happy. >they would have less of a problem partnering with rights holders These are the same rights holders that have acted irresponsibly when it suited them, leading to the wanton destruction of material that rightfully belongs to the public. You get that right? Copyright is not ownership, it's just a long-term lease... all copyright materials are in the long run property of the public domain. You don't get to destroy them just because you've got a temporary lease on it. The rights holders are the problem. >Right now they're asking for $17 donations next to pirated material What piracy? Did someone hijack a ship at sea and hold its crew for ransom?

badlibrarian 2y ago
I work in the space and routinely access material that predates the Berne Convention. There are indeed traditions that archives and libraries follow going back centuries. This is entirely separate from US copyright law and if we were actually conversing I'd imagine we'd discover that we share a lot of views there. > You don't get to destroy them just because you've got a temporary lease on it. And that's where we disagree. For starters, nothing has gotten destroyed here. Yet. The problem as I see it is that some weird-ass white guy annointed himself keeper of the material. And now he's started behaving erratically and unlawfully, and putting everything at risk. Seems to be a lot of that going around lately. Insiders at the Archive have gone as far as to say Brewster's sabotaging things since there's no plan for funding or running the thing after he passes. Getting sued over and over (and losing) is awful. And imagine how the employees feel -- scanning moldy books for 20 years and then your boss makes one weird decision and now nobody can see your work.
- bboozzoo 2y ago
  > some weird-ass white guy annointed himself keeper of the material how's their skin colour so relevant to the discussion that it needs to be brought up? what if they were yellow/black/green?
  - badlibrarian 2y ago
    It sets up the quip two sentences later and opens up opportunities for further social commentary such as "Brewster Kahle seems to be the only white guy left who manages to lose in a courtroom each and every time."